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The hundreds of people gunned down daily is really a small percentage of the population so it's all just scaremongering. Several dozen people are upvoting it. I think I'm done with hexbear for a bit. Thanks for the fun posts, everyone
Being a child is criminalized. And the children are suffering. The point of childhood anymore doesn't seem to enjoy some innocence and learn life lessons and make mistakes in a loving or caring environment where you're shielded from most of the consequences. The purpose of childhood is to mold you into an ideal member of the proletariat. And to never ever misbehave, because the Eye in the Sky (whether that's your parents or the police state) is always watching and you'd better get used to it.
I've talked about the atrocious state of childrens' rights in this country, and had some really good discussion here about it. It's only getting worse. Don't walk or bike home from school, wait for your parent to come get you in an SUV. Don't go skateboarding, you hooligan. Don't hang out with friends or other kids in the neighborhood with only the admonition of being back before dark. Don't drink a beer, even as an adult- you'll go to jail. Don't host a party, you'll go to jail. Don't have awkward teenage sex. Don't go hang out downtown or explore the woods, you'll be raped and abducted and sold into slavery! Just stay home, on your phone where it's safe.
I fucking hate this. This shit honestly makes me despair more than climate change. I'm not sure why that is, obviously what we're doing to the climate could well spell the end of human civilization. I think I'm just really upset at this very clear, yet less dramatic impact of living in a fascist society. Being a child is criminalized.
School shootings aren't "rare" though, there have been roughly 57.5 school shootings annually on average since the year 2000 (I summed the lowest annual number and the highest and averaged it, if that's wrong someone please call me out on it). That's about 1 school shooting every week
"School shooting", as popularly understood, is an individual coming in to a school with the intent to kill as many kids as possible. That happens very rarely. Most of the shootings in schools are one kid shooting another kid, often over personal beefs.
Conflating the popular idea of a mass shooting - A lone gunman killing a lot of people, with every shooting in schools and every shooting where more than one or two people are injured has wildly, wildly skewed public perceptions of what gun violence looks like in the US. Mass shootings as understood by the public are a tiny fraction of all firearms violence; It is still, and always has been, overwhelmingly violence related to petty crime, and domestic violence. The focus on mass shootings, and the re-definition of what constitutes a "mass shooting", has totally replaced awareness that the vast, vast majority of all firearms violence in the US is poor kids shooting each other over petty crime shit.
To put this all in perspective; 70,000, that is seventy thousand, people are killed by firearms in the US each year. It's about half/half suicides and homocides. So out of 30-40k people murdered with guns each year in the US, about 100-150 of those killings happen in schools annually. And almost all of the killing, out of 70k dead and 30-40k murdered, is done with handguns. Long guns, especially ARs, are a tiny, tiny fraction. Like hundreds, not even thousands. Public perception of gun violence in the US is grotesquely distorted towards a media and political narrative that bears little relation to reality.
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Warning this enters full conspiracy theorist mode so take it very skeptically
I don’t think school shootings themselves are an overwrought phenomenon, in the sense that we have consistently had school shootings (as in, media-covered, disparate incidents) that were absolutely horrific, and as the Onion eloquently puts it, “does not happen consistently anywhere else in the world”.
But almost every single time, they were done by white, often right-wing, teens or adults. It was always bigots and Nazi’s, never kids who were unstable but otherwise politically apathetic or completely ignorant, as you’d expect from a kid.
But, like you said, a majority of these incidents in these reports are one on one violence or small-scale stuff, stuff that’s probably primarily caused by communities existing that have people who need to do crime to live due to economic disparity. So, racial minorities the US has ended up corralling into segregated, poorer areas.
So the entire point of it, media-wise, is to conflate these Nazi politically motivated mass killings with struggling kids. And, because these struggling kids are being coded as the scary dangerous outside forces (black people), it’s been signal-boosted absolutely everywhere because that’s what the media already loved scaremongering about.
So there doesn’t seem to be any scaremongering about school shootings, but scaremongering using a racist construction which utilized the cultural backdrop of school shootings to build itself. The point is, in all of its utter incredulity and base malice, just to make minority’s lives worse (with the fun side effect that we’re not talking about why Nazis (or anyone) keep shooting up schools every year! Don’t worry about it, it’s just Cultural Decay caused by those damn minorities! /s)
I pretty much agree. I think a lot of the emphasis on school shoots is Democrat strategy. They spent decades fruitlessly trying to scare white people with "inner city violence", gang violence, "urban youth", "super predators", "racial jungles". Between white flight and libs becoming slightly less shitty, along with just good old fashioned burn out, that fearmongering about black kids with hand guns became less and less effective over time. Colombine was what they needed to re-invigorate gun control and violence against youth as a political whip. Their triumphant gun control bill under Clinton was a big failure - It temporarily suppressed gun violence to an extent, but when it sunset under Bush things did not return to the status quo - Gun violence drastically increased. Since then their gun control efforts have had at best mixed success - California and some East Coast states have imposed draconian arms control laws. New York City, for instance, is safer than it's ever been, but it's also a horrifying police state in the grip of a 50,000 strong fascist army. You're not even allowed to carry a fucking pocket knife, and even years after Michael Bloomberg's frighteningly oppressive "Crimestat" the police still systematically and very effectively target minorities for harassment and repression. So it's safer, sorta, but I would hesitate to assign any one cause to that. I'm sure the total ban on arms played a large role, but one must also factor in ruthless repression of poor people, minorities, ruthless gentrification, and one of the most overfunded and repressive regime security forces in the world. I think the NYPD is like the worlds 6th or 8th largest and best funded standing army.
But stepping away from Gun Control taken at face value, ie gun control for the purpose of reducing violence, their shift has been an enormous success. Along with abortion they've successfully very sharply divided their base from the GOP base, turning huge numbers of people in to defacto single issue voters who are poorly informed and largely don't have any real understanding of the issue beyond the nightly spectacle of violence on social media. They've very successfully used it to whip fundraising and votes, promising results they've never delivered and giving their base a strong thought terminating cliche to use against dissenters; Anyone who opposes arms control is an evil maniac or a republican stooge. Anyone who opposes a blanket ban on AR15s, a weapon used in a miniscule fractions of all killings, is a psychopath. It very reliably shuts down any discussion of the real, major problems - hand guns, austerity, poverty. A commonly raised argument against Democrat gun control schemes is one that probably seems obvious to most leftists; The cops will use the laws as further justification for leveling state terror against minorities and poor people, while the ideologically motivated middlish class Nazis who actually carry out these shootings will be ignored. The gun control schemes will result in an enormous expansion of police power, but since the US operates on racial terror and economic violence, it will not achieve it's stated goal.
There was one interesting example, I'm not sure if it counts, but in Kenosha a black man leading a group of armed, mostly black people in patrolling the streets saw a group of people with rifles pointed at him hiding in the dark on top of a building. He pointed his weapon light at them to identify them. They were cops, and he was arrested for assault or whatever. The white cops were allowed to aim weapons at minorities, but the minority man who aimed back, not to attack but merely to identify them, was subjected to state violence. I should point out; DO NOT USE YOUR WEAPON LIGHT LIKE THIS. One of the four basic rules of firearms is don't point your gun at anything you're not ready and willing to destroy. Weapon lights are for identifying targets, not general use. Carry a separate flashlight for general light purposes.
There are over 100,000 k-12 schools in the US. Rounding the numbers a bit, that's 1/2000 or .0005% chance of your school being hit.
Not saying that it's not worth precautions, but the odds are low imo
Precautions are actively counterproductive to the purpose of schools. Schools by their nature need free movement of students all over the place. They need lots of entrances and exits and people are constantly entering and leaving the building. Locking them down, creating an atmosphere of terror, causes a great deal of harm while not actually doing anything to prevent the incredibly rare shootings.
I never understood the lockdown thing. Why not just install an emergency exit in each classroom and have some sort of emergency worker pick kids up?
There's a couple of factors I've heard.
One is a fear that if kids were fleeing they'd be easier targets for a gunman positioned outside. A shooter would have long sightlines with many targets.
Second, that the chaos of a general evacuation would make it much harder to locate the shooter, increase the number of targets the shooter has at any given moment, and make an armed police response (lol) much more difficult and dangerous. If there's no one moving in the halls except the shooter the armed response team is less likely to accidentally shoot an innocent person, will be more likely to have a clean shot on the shooter, the shooter won't be able to hide behind people running around, the shooter will be easier to find without a crowd to look through.
As we've seen; Emergency response is slow and often ineffective. Cops, who would probably be the people our society would insist on sending to rescue victims, are cowards with contempt for human life and everyone around them and often refuse to risk their life to help others.
If there were emergency exits kids would be going in and out of them a lot.
Every emergency exit would need to be maintained and kept in good repair. A couple of school shootings have happened at schools where external doors were locked and the door was either propped open for failed to lock correctly, allowing ingress for the shooter.
One is that, with some basic equipment, a classroom can be made very difficult to break in to. There are some systems that put a square hole a few inches deep in a recess near the bottom of the door. If you drop a metal post in that recess the door becomes effectively impossible to open without a fire axe or breaching gear. Since all commercial and residential doors are required to open inwards to facilitate escaping from fires or disasters it's a fairly reliable, reasonably inexpensive way to fortify a room.
To some extent the problems with fortifying a school can be related to the problems of fortifying airports post 9/11 - Nothing the TSA does has made air travel safer or prevented airline terrorism. The only change made post 9/11 that has actually improved airline safety and resistance to hijackings is putting locks on the cockpit door so there is no practical way for an attacker to get in to the cockpit and seize control of the plane.
For schools, I'm not clear if any of the interventions taken since Columbine have done anything but cause additional harm, but if there are any useful ones it would be very simple things like door wedges and door blocks, rather than turning schools even more in to prisons
Afaik it's 4+ people shot in one incident. That's anyone that's hit - stray bullets, bullets passing through one person and hitting another, whatever. That's what makes it so misleading and deceptive; When people here "There's a mass shooting every day in the US" they think that every single day a lone gunman with an AR and thousands of rounds of ammo is walking in to a church, school, mall, or business and killing tens of people. And that's not happening. Every gang shooting, every time two people have a dispute that escalates to violence and bystanders are hit, that's counted as a "mass shooting".
Yeah, it's bad that people are getting shot. But what's actually happening in the vast, vast, vast majority of gun violence in the US is domestic violence and violence arising from petty crime. Actual mass shootings as popularly understood; A gunman in a public place trying to kill as many people as possible, are not nearly as common as the news leads people to believe.
what the FUCK why are we doing shooting erasure
Yes. We are. We're doing shooting erasure. We're erasing the misleading perceptions of where, how, and why gun violence occurs in the United States so people will recognize that the "mass shooting" narrative doesn't reflect actual statistics; Who is killed, when, where, why. People are taught to obsessively fear school shootings and AR 15s when school shootings account for 50-100 murders annually out of, I cannot stress this enough, FORTY THOUSAND MURDERS in the US. They're taught to fear AR15s when the vast, vast, overwhelming majority of those murders are committed with handguns. I don't know if it's media and politicians cynically making money and stoking terror, or of they're just fools, but it's absurd. Want to reduce firearms violence? Ban hand guns. Forget ARs, they're only used in a few hundred murders a year, compared to literally tens of thousands murdered with pistols. Forget school shootings, focus on the thousands and thousands of kids murdered outside their schools in neighborhoods that have been systematically strip mined of all public resources, overpoliced, and forced in to dire poverty. That's where the violence is, and for the most part always has been. Even basic access to mental healthcare would stop probably many thousands of the 35,000 firearms suicides each year.
I'm angry about this distortion. I have been for a long, long time. The public perception of firearms violence in the US is nakedly false, a false narrative pushed by media and politicians to serve cynical goals. That narrative has caused enormous harm - School Resource Officers alone have destroyed a million lives since Columbine, putting children in cages, but they've never stopped a single mass shooting in a school. Among countless other forms of repression and violence imposed in the name of "won't somebody think of the children!"
I legitimately forgot those were a thing, I can see the issue now, sorry about being a lib
It's why media and politicians use school shootings as a cudgel and whip. It's so awful and so terrifying and so hideous that it blots out all other considerations. Most people will do nearly anything to protect kids. Most of the "solutions" proposed are expansion to the police state - More cops, more surveillance, more repression, more control.
We know how to reduce violence targeting kids - You build community centers and third places in impoverished neighborhoods. You give kids safe places to hang out and work on homework. You set up alternative conflict resolution methods so kids can settle beefs and fights without shooting each other. You improve wages, address food deserts, make sure everyone has good healthcare. Violence is driven strongly by neoliberal austerity and the poverty it ruthlessly enforces. Politicians and media cannot address that because they're the ones strip-mining society and pulling the copper out of the walls. A relentless focus on the most sensational and frightening acts of violence, along with sensational but ultimately meaningless gun control efforts, keeps people focused on individual problems; People who own guns, "mentally ill shooters", whatever, instead of seeing the system problems that underlie so much of this violence.
The whole gun control narrative serves to keep people mad and distracted, focusing their anger on gun owners and republicans, while the politicians they vote for are ruthlessly enforcing the very austerity that drives the violence. It's not the GOP driving youth violence in cities, its the democratic mayors and city councils cutting funding to every social project, gutting schools, gutting libraries, sending legions of heavily armed police in to kidnap people and destroy families and communities. And, for that matter, the most violent places in America are overwhelmingly GOP controlled second and third ring suburbs, and the vast majority of that violence is domestic or petty crime related.
Idk, the whole situation is so fucked, and people's views of it are so frustratingly distorted. I was one of the "trenchcoat mafia" kids at my school, the mostly queer, mostly neurodiverse goth kids who were targeted for harassment and repression after Columbine because it couldn't be admitted that the shooters were ideologically motivated Neo-Nazis who staged a massacre on Hitler's birthday. The problem couldn't be Nazis overrunning rural and suburban Colorado. It had to be bullying in schools, it had to be kids having access to guns, it had to be goth music and rap, it had to be something else than admitting that we were up to our tits in fascists while the neoliberals were butchering society and selling off the carcass. Idk, the whole situation is just so, so fucked. Democrats have been using it to whip votes and fundraising my whole life and all they've accomplished is a steady increase the ratio of gun violence to other forms of violence (though, again, violence as a whole went down steadily right up to the start the Pandemic). Meanwhile their policies are driving a spike in youth suicides that kills more kids each year than have been shot in schools since 1999.
That's what makes me so angry. We could drastically reduce youth murders, youth suicides. But the solution isn't turning schools in to nightmarish police state prisons, it's reversing the neoliberal destruction of society. It's been achieved many times on a small scale - One community center can drastically reduce youth violence in a wide area. Building a few basketball courts, having more services at a library, food security programs, real access to medical care, all these things can provable, dramatically reduce youth violence. And Democrats systematically crush these programs when they start to show results because if word got out it would effect their bottom line. It's just fucked. I hate it so much. I've been watching it happen ever since I started really digging in to homicide and gun violence statistics 10-15 years ago. It just sucks. : (
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The hundreds of people gunned down daily is really a small percentage of the population so it's all just scaremongering. Several dozen people are upvoting it. I think I'm done with hexbear for a bit. Thanks for the fun posts, everyone
He's not making it in the most diplomatic way, but he has a point. Schools should not be doing active shooter drills, the actual threat much lower than the damage caused by excess fear. Cable news should not be boosting every school shooting that does happen into the stratosphere, because all it does is create more fear and inspire copycats. Nevertheless the US should have adequate gun control laws, because most of the 70K yearly victims of gun violence in our country could be saved if only we gave a damn.
I disagree with this still because it smacks of “we shouldn’t be wearing masks because the fear of the pandemic is worse than the pandemic” type stuff
masks are not a miracle preventative but they are effective, minimally inconvenient, and you are very likely to get and spread COVID without them. Unlike masks, "hardening" schools, giving teachers guns, and making kids do random active shooter drills with cops pretending to be shooters does real harm, and it's not nearly as clear that it does any good. As we saw at Uvalde most of this stuff is security theater. I graduated high school in 2016 and thought that school shootings were so rare that it wasn't worth worrying about it besides very basic prep like having some sort of lockdown procedure. Same type of thing as a tornado or fire drill, do it once a year and then no reason to think about it.
I was thinking about that exact example today
Covid - The risk of contracting covid is high. The consequences; the risk of death is low, the risk of injury is high. Wearing a mask is a very easy intervention that isn't burdensome for most people but drastically reduces all of these risks, to near zero if you're using a proper N95 or better mask and it fits properly.
School shootings - The risk of a school shooting is extremely low. The consequences are high; somewhere between 1-30 dead, likely a number of injuries. "Hardening" a school is extremely burdensome, causes real, provable, and serious harm to children and staff, and isn't actually effective at preventing or reducing the harm of school shootings. "School Resource Officers" are the most damning example; SROs haven't prevented a single shooting in 24 years, but they have condemned a million children to jail or prison. I have no numbers for this, but I imagine just the number of suicides resulting from having armed cops in schools vastly exceeds the number of people killed in school shootings during the entire period from the Colombine murders til today.
Yeah I just got the impression that we shouldn’t have any drills. I understand making it a once a year thing like fire or tornado drills
The way drills are conducted is outright terrorism. Sitting kids down for thirty minutes to explain what to do; Go in to your classroom, sit on the floor, be quiet, listen to your teacher, use texts instead of making phone calls, and wait for an all clear, then doing a quick, straightforward exercise to demonstrate what to do, would be acceptable.
Having cops running around the place firing guns and explosives is absolutely unacceptable terrorism. "random drills" in general aren't effective and shouldn't be done.
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