Tbh that quote is very ableist by Lenin. Many people can't work due to disabilities and they need to be included with society regardless of their ability to contribute.
I'm going to keep posting this every time this comes up:
The context for that quote is a general outlay of the type of economic system Lenin was proposing (socialism). A system where no person is entitled to the fruits of another's labor, hence, if you don't work, you don't eat.
The phrase is also used in the 1936 constitution, which opens with this grand statement and then proceeds to spend almost 5 pages defining a welfare system that makes sure disabled and elderly individuals are taken care of. A system that democratically allocates surplus to help those in need and not line the pockets of the bourgeoisie.
Within the first four years of the revolution, the Bolsheviks enacted a flurry of legislation that codified virtually every major disability-related demand emanating from the mass movements during the preceding two decades. These included the following provisions:
■ Shortening the maximum legal workday to eight hours for most forms of labor, six to seven hours for others, and four to six hours for the most dangerous industries
■ Maternity leave with full pay and free childcare for all women workers, two months before and two months after childbirth
■ Full social insurance coverage for all workers covering all forms of disablement, regardless of whether the origin of the disability was work-related or not; all insurance institutions to be administered directly and entirely by the insured themselves; temporary disability insurance to cover all incapacities at full wage
■ Full social-security coverage for all, with government pensions available to those either temporarily or permanently outside the workforce due to disability, old age, illness, etc., social-security pensions to be solely determined by the prevailing wage in a given region, rather than an individual’s past pay, past employment status or length, or the nature of the disabling condition
I appreciate the context. It's just been a tough week and I'm feeling extra vulnerable to anti-disability stuff rn. I need to learn more about Lenin and the revolution. I don't mean any adversity. I'm just sick of the suffering.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he's referring to the capitalists here. People who never work a day in their lives because they have a piece of paper saying they own something. Because that was the situation at the time. Disabled people already had to find work or starve. The only people who could chose to keep themselves idle were capitalists.
Right wingers misinterpret Lenin and think he was advocating for kicking the "welfare queens" off the dole, but at the time socialism emerged there was no dole nor a welfare state to speak of. This interpretation doesn't make any sense in the context. It's like a Michael Brooks "Rightwing Nelson Mandela" bit where Lenin is saying the Tzarist regime not being mean enough to the orphans.
I agree that this rhetoric isn't ideal for today's problems though.
Ironically, SSI and SSDI were created in response to Soviet programs that created a robust social safety net and pension/welfare system using economic surplus.
Tbh that quote is very ableist by Lenin. Many people can't work due to disabilities and they need to be included with society regardless of their ability to contribute.
I'm going to keep posting this every time this comes up:
The context for that quote is a general outlay of the type of economic system Lenin was proposing (socialism). A system where no person is entitled to the fruits of another's labor, hence, if you don't work, you don't eat.
The phrase is also used in the 1936 constitution, which opens with this grand statement and then proceeds to spend almost 5 pages defining a welfare system that makes sure disabled and elderly individuals are taken care of. A system that democratically allocates surplus to help those in need and not line the pockets of the bourgeoisie.
it's him quoting the bible with none of his surrounding context, Lenin's meaning is those who are able. but actions speak louder than words:
https://isreview.org/issue/102/disability-and-russian-revolution/
I appreciate the context. It's just been a tough week and I'm feeling extra vulnerable to anti-disability stuff rn. I need to learn more about Lenin and the revolution. I don't mean any adversity. I'm just sick of the suffering.
not trying to call you out, just wanted to help and found it inspiring. hope tomorrow is better.
I hear that.
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That’s the only reason it ever has a big middle class. Back to the gilded age baby!
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he's referring to the capitalists here. People who never work a day in their lives because they have a piece of paper saying they own something. Because that was the situation at the time. Disabled people already had to find work or starve. The only people who could chose to keep themselves idle were capitalists.
Right wingers misinterpret Lenin and think he was advocating for kicking the "welfare queens" off the dole, but at the time socialism emerged there was no dole nor a welfare state to speak of. This interpretation doesn't make any sense in the context. It's like a Michael Brooks "Rightwing Nelson Mandela" bit where Lenin is saying the Tzarist regime not being mean enough to the orphans.
I agree that this rhetoric isn't ideal for today's problems though.
Like IDGAF about the Paris Hilton part. I just want my homies on SSI/SSDI (or denied that right) to be acknowledged as good people.
Ironically, SSI and SSDI were created in response to Soviet programs that created a robust social safety net and pension/welfare system using economic surplus.