its hilarious cuz like in what way was killmonger wrong whatsoever
"I'm gonna arm the oppressed people's of the world so we can overthrow our oppressors. I literally worked for the CIA and understand how the US impoverishes the rest of the world for their benefit."
"uwu oh no dont be scary violent instead build a community center in a clearly impoverished community, which clearly didn't do anything."
And the libs just glossed over the part where the CIA guy pointed out where Killmonger learned it from.
He did have a few lines about how they would be the new Empire and oppressors. Very Marvelesque to commit character assassination on an interesting villain in the 3rd act.
Tbf he kind of wanted to enslave whitey instead of creating a socialist society, he was like Idi Amin stumbling on weapon tech from 2100
:deeper-sadness: choosing to stick to my flawed memory of the movie
Black Panther: "My work here is done!"
Children of the poverty-stricken children you saw in the opening sequence: "But you didn't do anything!"
tuxedo masks away
This was literally the plot of that awful Capt America tv show. Pseudo anarchists want to go back to no borders like during the blip (ok seems reasonable) but then they kill civilians for no apparent reason other than "to send a message" ???
And then when the capes are done and the day is saved, new Cap literally just tells govt leaders to do better. Fucking LMAO
There’s probably some interesting work on all the cliches that writers give villains to make it so we don’t have to think too hard about their motivations. Killmonger was right, y’all
The What If? episodes featuring Killmonger just had him being right, right, and more right, all the time. Absolutely correct about the state of the world. And then
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he gets trapped in a pocket dimension with belly tv guy who's name i can't remember, because using power to help people is bad if bad people have to die, or something.
edit: non-spoiler fact, eric killmonger kills no real people in the entire run of the show
no real people
Implying Tony Stark isn't a real person because he's a rich arms dealer? Cause I can get behind that I'm just checking.
Idk I just watched the Kay and Skittles synopsis. I guess there were huge workforce problems so most countries more or less opened their borders to address it.
Having to thwart and beat up Anarky in Arkham Origins when he's totally right about what a Capitalist hellhole Gotham is was painful
What's Batman even do anymore? The well on him beating up purse snatching thieves has to be dry by now.
Haven't followed comics super seriously in a while but: mainly he fights other supervillains and to be honest they're actually genuinely trying to address this question.
One of the best runs on him in the modern era was the court of owls storyarc, and I think the current line of movies are trying to set it up based on vague info from the promotional material. The short version is (with a bit of interpretation): Batman takes on the old wealth eyes wide shut style gothamites and finds out that his whole run as Batman has been a sort of amusing distraction he has been allowed to engage in because he's never actually challenged the real power and reason for Gotham's suffering. They don't really have him change significantly as a character afterward but they also recently had him lose a ton of wealth so there is a genuine effort to try and square the circle and have Batman still exist and be relevant in a world where its becoming increasingly harder to ignore that the real villain and source of Gotham's plight is Bruce Wayne and his desire to keep living in his adult wonderland where he can play with scifi toys beating up the poor and mentally ill every night rather then address the material conditions that make Gotham the way it is.
A lot of uncovering conspiracies and fighting assassins. Modern Batman is more of "privatized CIA" than "rogue vigilante" these days.
He hasn't fought petty crime since like, his 3rd issue. He lives in a world of killer clowns (also known as clowns) mad scientists, plant monsters, crocodile men, aliens, and undead ancient warriors. Batman is fascistic IF you try to be grim and gritty with him. If you do brave and the bold or Morrison then it is great
There's an upcoming movie where he's gonna be more of a detective or whatever so there's that.
I remember seeing Joker in one of the older Batman movies driving around throwing out cash to the unwashed masses. This pissed off billionaire Batman who then tried to kill him.
And Aquaman. "Saving the ocean from destruction is the most evil thing you can do actually."
And Game of Thrones, "Ending slavery is the worst thing you can do actually, especially with an army of brown foreigners."
And West World, "Ending slavery is the worst thing you can do actually, especially if you ruin a rich guy's vacation."
AND Legend of Korra, "Killing a child-enslaving queen is bad actually, especially if you let the poors into the rich neighborhoods."
ANNND Wonder Woman 1984, "Wishing for literally anything to be different is bad and dangerous actually, wanting anything to be better is how we got Trump, that's your fault."
AAAAAAANNND Fantastic Beasts 2, "Trying to prevent the Holocaust is the worst thing you can do actually."
Fantastic Beasts 2, “Trying to prevent the Holocaust is the worst thing you can do actually.”
:wat:
In Fantastic Beasts 2 (which contains very few fantastic beasts compared to the first) we learn that the extremely evil wizard Grindelwald is actually just trying to recruit people so he can stop WW2 from happening. This happens when he invades a big wizard meeting and rips a huge hit off his skull bong, then reveals omens in the fat clouds, including rolling tanks, atomic explosions, and people in striped pajamas marching onto trains.
He exits the big wizard meeting by killing most of the wizards present after recruiting a few (including a character that is bona fide psychic and should be able to read his actual intents), then casts a spell to blow up Paris, which the good guys barely stop.
This is the actual scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHSAZxPQrrk
Rowling really fucked the beehive when she went and wrote that the wizards were pre-emptively aware of the Holocaust. Since the Holocaust happens in the HP canon, that means the wizards (who are individually basically demigods, never mind organized) just let it happen. It also opens the door to Nazi wizards and all that, which I'm sure she will write with the correct degree of sensitivity.
Damn I thought the skull bong thing is usual shitposting exaggeration but he really did that
Almost like capeshit is inherently reactionary cop propaganda or something.
I've been wanting to write a hero story that's literally "magneto was right" where the hero realizes the villain is actually in the right, and by opposing the villain they're defending the problem. then the hero joins the villain and gets branded by the media/state as a traitor. Not sure where to go from there
have the government step in to wipe out both, with horrible and entirely expected consequences, both as collateral damage from the intervention and as a natural consequence of the original problem no longer having any opposition
just get real depressing and dark with it
Or the heroes can win and upend society.
Cape stories always end with the status quo preserved, but do they really need to?
They solve the problem together. Then Magneto and the hero both get sentenced to 5 years of re-education in a post-revolutionary purge done by incredibly based zoomers. During their stay in Siberia, Magneto and the hero find out they have actually been very very gay all along and get married. During the act, there is a remembrance of Stalin.
I quit playing veautiful joe for this reason. The bad guy offered joe half the planet. And even as a young lib I realized that a true hero wouldn't pass up the chance to turn half the planet into a viewtiful utopia. I just decoded the game was a choose your own advenute and switched it off
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-07-13
See also libs inventing comunism
I mean the themes in it have been explored since at least the 80s(in no man's land etc) but probably not as succinctly and all together in one place, so CoO is probably a good place to start
Since I'm twisted I'm been prefering joker puzzlebox so far, but that's just me not an objective ranking of interestingness, and Batman: Reptilian was good imo it has
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Killer croc going through a gender identity crisis
And also frank portrayals and explorations of the effect Batman's violence actually has, it written by Ennis so if you're a fan of his more superhero stuff(the boys) you'll really enjoy it
