Now that I’ve caught you with the clickbait title,

Basically every post has included some form of toxic self-hate, minus one or two mentioning exercise. While I do like being able to confront these in the first place, the purported goals and name of this community gives people who are giving the exact wrong advice far too much credibility, and the last thing these people need is a comment with the most upbears regurgitating individualistic self-help concepts at them.

If we’re going to keep this sort of community around, I suggest doing some serious research and basing it off of DBT, and integrating serious critiques of CBT style mental healthcare and improvement.

I am just some random nerd who is terrible at self-improvement at general, so I understand taking this with some serious doubt. But I just had to get this off my chest.

Thank you, WithoutFurtherBelay

  • WithoutFurtherBelay
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    11 months ago

    This is very confusing to me. Leftism is the only set of belief systems rooted in reality that has so many “scapegoats” for blame. Why blame yourself for anything? The United States is right there and they’re probably actually, unironically to blame for everything wrong with you (from a health and habit perspective, at least). We should be focused on trying to figure out how to survive despite that rather than shifting blame back on ourselves for absolutely no reason except “accountability”. As if “accountability” for our own health and happiness beyond what people intrinsically have as living beings with the instinct to not suffer is something other than victim blaming.

    It seems very silly. Why is most people’s working conception of most neurological issues that someone’s just not “taking accountability” for their happiness? Everyone takes accountability for their happiness, everyone does what they can to be happy. It’s like the one thing I can assume is a universal experience. The actual variation there is in what people can do.

    • keepcarrot [she/her]
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      11 months ago

      The United States is right there and they’re probably actually, unironically to blame for everything wrong with you

      Due to constant US meddling, I have gained weight and lost the will to go to the gym, but through jihad etc etc

      (I ran out of steam for this joke, please do not take seriously)

      • Mokey [none/use name]
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        11 months ago

        But i actually think like this lol

        My isolated uncultured American shithole had made me illiterate in music but through my single-mokey protracted mokeys war against music illiteracy i will overcome and bring prosperity to the region

        • WithoutFurtherBelay
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          11 months ago

          Yes unironically I think this is a good mindset. It’s not your fault whatsoever that you’re in this situation but you can still do things to make it better, hopefully.

    • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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      11 months ago

      We should be focused on trying to figure out how to survive

      But getting rid of habits that are destructive and replacing them with less harmful habits... is trying to survive. Well, trying to survive AND thrive, which i think is better

      I agree we shouldn't blame ourselves for failing, i feel like this is like a "we should improve ourselves somewhat" meme and you're going Well, Actually

      • WithoutFurtherBelay
        hexagon
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        11 months ago

        But getting rid of habits that are destructive and replacing them with less harmful habits... is trying to survive. Well, trying to survive AND thrive, which i think is better

        Yes, but what I’m saying isn’t that we shouldn’t be doing that. What I’m saying is that our perspectives on how we do that are all kinds of fucked up and mostly involve willpower and being Smarter and Better because we’re Cool.

        i feel like this is like a "we should improve ourselves somewhat" meme and you're going Well, Actually

        Yes, because improving oneself is a significantly more inherently suspicious concept than improving society, due to the possibility of reproducing societal beliefs as a process of “improvement”.

        • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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          11 months ago

          "our perspectives on how we do that are all kinds of fucked up and mostly involve willpower and being Smarter and Better because we’re Cool."

          Speak for yourself, whole lot of projecting going on here. That's not how i or seemingly how the mods feel about this comm

          "Improving oneself is a significantly more inherently suspicious concept than improving society"

          So when i post "i want to be in the garden more", a hobby that literally improves my mental health and gives back to the ecosystem, that's suspicious to you? Howso? Should i not be focusing on my happiness at all, milord? I'm but a humble serf that wants to find joy, and that's bad actually?

          wanting to smoke less weed is also suspicious to you? Why? i have a clearer head and more energy to do real things (praxis) when i smoke. Why do you have a problem with me doing these minor harm reduction things for myself?

          What about my goal of wanting to work out slightly more? Something that gives me energy, helps me sleep better, improve my mental health, and makes it easier to bash the fash?

          These are real examples i posted in the self improvement thread, so i'm curious why you have such a problem with these extremely minor, positive things me and others are doing. Why is it sus for someone to want to feel healthier to you? I'm just not following your argument here. I feel like you are responding to self help in general in the west and not the actual people on this comm. I feel like you're assuming people don't want to do any community enrichment or support, which for me and many others isn't true at all.

          Also may i remind you that we can't actually post real praxis on here for fear of doxxing, so people have to keep it extremely vague and you may be assuming a lot about what kind of praxis people do?

          • Mokey [none/use name]
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            11 months ago

            yeah i agree wanting to grow some beans doesnt necessarily make you abdicate any responsibility to society.

            i talk about myself and improving, embarassingly, all day long here and megathread but i don't really write as often about all the things i do for others in my community. i've done a lot of good things too!

          • TraumaDumpling
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            11 months ago

            i use weed medicinally to treat PTSD, and seeing so many hexbears treat it like its an opiate addiction or alcoholism or something that is obviously problematic is incredibly sus to me, like you would never say the same thing about someone using insulin or taking any other kind of psychiatric drug. idk not to criticize people's individual needs i just think its a toxic framing to assume all weed use is the same as alcoholism. when i don't use weed i sit around in executive dysfunction thinking about [things that would warrant a CW] when i used it for the first time when i was young i was like 'wtf, is it not normal to be constantly anxious and thinking of self-harm? is this what its like for normal people?'

            • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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              11 months ago

              "its a toxic framing to assume all weed use is the same as alcoholism."

              I'm definitely not framing it like that, and i don't think the goal of the comm is to judge others, the moderator(s) seem pretty clear that it's you setting your own goals and trying to enact them.

              I think weed is good, and it's helped me immensely. i'm just too addicted to it right now. Feeling like i need to smoke every hour isn't good for me personally, i'm unable to do other things i want to do. In a week, I've tapered down from near continuous use to x2 a day on weekdays and x3 on weekends and i feel better. My plan is to cut down to x1 on weekend days and other medicinal uses as needed.

              I don't think you using weed the way you're doing it is bad at all, it sounds like harm reduction to me? I think it's wrong in general to assume you know what is best for someone's body. I have addict friends and i don't judge them at all. Taking drugs IS harm reduction compared to raw dogging life if you're in a bad place and not doing well mentally. That's totally okay.

              I want to smoke less personally, that doesn't mean i think smoking weed is bad at all. I feel like you might be taking people wanting to change a little personally, but I at least am not judging people who don't want to "self improve". IMO Self improvement is up to the Self anyway. What's best for my body is not the best for others. Self improvement might mean just reading a little more each day for someone who wants to read more. I personally want to feel healthier so i'm taking steps to do so in my body, there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with you using weed for your health either. Just existing is difficult, so i don't think anyone should judge anyone else for how they cope (as long as they aren't harming others, of course!)

              My way of coping is to work on things that make myself happier and more resilient, and those are gonna be different for other people. It's all good. I hope you don't feel judged by your weed use, like seriously, it sounds like it's really working for you and you shouldn't take anyone trying to reduce their drug use as a negative indictment on what you need. You need weed (at least right now) and that's fine. Some people are addicted to hard drugs and can't come off them, and that's also fine. Everyone deserves a happy life regardless.

              I seriously hope you have a good day. I'm really sorry you're struggling with feeling suicidal. blaze up as much as you want, comrade.