"The Social-Democratic lackeys, in an attempt to hurt the Communists, taunt them with being "Stalinists." But we Communists are proud of being called by this honorable title, just as we are proud of being called Leninists. There is no greater honor for the proletarian revolutionary than to be a real Leninist, a real Stalinist, to be a supremely faithful follower of Lenin and Stalin. And there is no greater happiness for the Communists than to fight under the leadership of the great Stalin for the triumph of the just cause of the world proletariat."

  • Georgi Dimitrov, Stalin and the World Proletariat (1940)
  • geikei [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    The best responses on Stalinist histeria should be

    1. Stalinism isn't a thing

    2. If it was a thing it would be pretty cool

    • Vncredleader
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      It is not Stalinism unless it comes from the Stalin region of Georgia, otherwise it is just sparkling Marxism-Leninism

    • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      This is basically what holocaust deniers do. "It didn't happen, but the jews deserved it."

      To be clear, I'm not saying these are at all comparable (of course not) but some LIB is going to make that connection and absolutely will.

      • read_freire [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        'hitler did nothing wrong but I wish he did'

        I think leftists can and have been making better and better use of bad faith argumentation to own the libs (and fash) over the last few years. Who gives a shit if some lib connects that dot.

        The thing that's been mildly concerning me is that we occasionally fall into the weird ur-fascist behavior of at once under- and over-estimating the enemy. Pigs are incompetent donut munchers who also use the full weight of the surveillance state to disappear leftists.

        • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Pigs are incompetent donut munchers who also use the full weight of the surveillance state to disappear leftists.

          In this case, both can be true. The vast majority can be incompetent, they just need a lot of bureaucrats and a subset of competent spooks to bring the surveillance state down on people.

          • read_freire [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            oh yeah there's nuance for sure. just sometimes wonder if everyone gets it

            another similar example: america is a sclerotic gerontocracy teetering on collapse that's simultaneously the global hegemon

            both those things are true, but underestimate the capacity for capricious violence of amerikkka at your peril

            oh another one: palantir has been bilking the security state for millions while providing shit-tier ETL for a bunch of failed data-mining projects while simultaneously turning the surveillance capitalism knob up to 11

            the former's definitely true but make no mistake, palantir's been a net benefit for the capacity of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie to track leftist networks

            oh, one minor quibble

            they just need a lot of bureaucrats and a subset of competent spooks to bring the surveillance state down on people

            Michael Reinoehl shows they don't even need that. The only competent people involved in that whole thing were the folks that tracked him. Everyone else involved was a bloodthirsty clown and they still got away with it.

            • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              both those things are true, but underestimate the capacity for capricious violence of amerikkka at your peril

              Very, very true. You can find an almost unlimited number of examples of the American empire and its enforcers being incompetent, but they're still likely to crush you just fine when they want to.

              The only competent people involved in that whole thing were the folks that tracked him. Everyone else involved was a bloodthirsty clown and they still got away with it.

              :yea: The American state is so entrenched that its bureaucracy will likely keep it murdering along for a long time yet, even as its foot-soldiers drink the more-and-more-ridiculous flavor-aid.

              • read_freire [they/them]
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                3 years ago

                Like I'm pretty bloomer. :communism-will-win:

                But I don't think it wins by underestimating the oppressor.

  • RNAi [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    1940

    The fucking suckdem were whining against communist in 19 fucking 40

    Moderate fascism indeed.

    :monke-rage: :monke-rage: :monke-rage:

    • Vncredleader
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Well of course, this was still just a bit after their peak. They had just destroyed the KPD and wanted to blame the soviets for themselves getting caught in the blast

      • RNAi [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        No idea, I thought they got owned by the fucking nazi much earlier. Imagine being anti communist while Hitler is actually fucking ruling and attacking the East

        • Vncredleader
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          The SPD yes, they got got in '33. I mean socdems writ large

  • Vncredleader
    hexagon
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    3 years ago

    iron Front USA is seething at this redfash, Adam Something inconsolable

    • RNAi [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      The lib that copypasted Roz good now?

      Edit: Oh wait I misread

    • Vncredleader
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      He is seriously one of the coolest figures in communism.

  • Cowboyitis69 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    80 years later and nothing has changed. Our political discourse is the same :agony-limitless: