I keep trying to find some kind of leftist who claims to have antisocial personality disorder, and the only person I have found so far was on a random leftist discord who acknowledged they might instead be an egregiously misdiagnosed autistic person. I have checked the words "antisocial" and "ASPD" through search on this site, and nobody has ever mentioned personally having ASPD.

Google is unusually useless at the task, too. The most relevant things are articles pertaining to the Soviet and Cuban practices of detaining and imprisoning people who are deemed to be "antisocial." After some digging, I found the usual anticommunist talking point about Stalin and Mao being worse than Hitler or something, tacking on a baseless claim that Stalin and Mao may have been antisocial. No meaningful info.

There's no difficulty at all in finding antisocial fascists, cops, chefs, capitalists, or CEOs. Why can't I find an antisocial comrade? Is there some part about leftism that is inherently exclusionary towards antisocial people? Is it a problem to be exclusionary towards antisocial people?

If any comrade here has ASPD I would really appreciate hearing your experience.

  • TillieNeuen [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Anyone know if this article about a researcher looking at a scan of his own brain and "discovering he's a psychopath" is in line with current research? Because it's what I always think of when this topic comes up. The short version is that he was studying the brains of people who have been diagnosed with some version of antisocial tendencies, and was also doing a study on Alzheimer's, so he had brain scans of his family. He noticed one looked like the brains of other antisocial people, and oops, turns out it's his brain. But he's a functioning member of society that, while he can be an asshole sometimes, hasn't done any of the truly terrible things we typically think of as normal psychopath behavior--he's not a murderer, not a rapist, etc.

    So why is that?

    Why has Fallon been able to temper his behavior, while other people with similar genetics and brain turn violent and end up in prison? Fallon was once a self-proclaimed genetic determinist, but his views on the influence of genes on behavior have evolved. He now believes that his childhood helped prevent him from heading down a scarier path. “I was loved, and that protected me,” he says. . . .This corresponds to recent research: His particular allele for a serotonin transporter protein present in the brain, for example, is believed to put him at higher risk for psychopathic tendencies. But further analysis has shown that it can affect the development of the ventromedial prefrontal cortex (the area with characteristically low activity in psychopaths) in complex ways: It can open up the region to be more significantly affected by environmental influences, and so a positive (or negative) childhood is especially pivotal in determining behavioral outcomes.

    Of course, there’s also a third ingredient, in addition to genetics and environment: free will. “Since finding all this out and looking into it, I’ve made an effort to try to change my behavior,” Fallon says. “I’ve more consciously been doing things that are considered ‘the right thing to do,’ and thinking more about other people’s feelings.”

    But he added, “At the same time, I’m not doing this because I’m suddenly nice, I’m doing it because of pride—because I want to show to everyone and myself that I can pull it off.”

    Ever since I read that an number of years ago, I've been thinking about how nature doesn't make dangerous psychopaths--it only makes people who are particularly in danger in this society we're living in, where social bonds are weak and too many kids grow up with not enough attention and way too much anxiety. I don't know if this theory is considered too deterministic, but I've always thought it was really hopeful. I believe that a better world is possible, and if we build it, then people with these "antisocial" brains will be raised in an environment that lets them be them, but in a healthy way, like this scientist.

    Anyway, I don't know anything about psychology and I have no idea if any of this is considered correct these days. Anyone out there know more?

      • TillieNeuen [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        OK, I was wondering if the "Psychopathy seems to come from an inborn predisposition" part was still considered likely or if had turned out to just be a correlation that ended up being ultimately meaningless. I think it's interesting to think about what changes we could make to society and the environment children are raised in that would lead to more good outcomes with psychopaths, basically changing the stereotype that psychopath=murderer in the making. I feel like I'm having a hard time expressing what I'm thinking here. I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm thinking about what it would mean to make a society where someone who can't feel empathy would still have lots of good material reasons to engage in prosocial behavior. Not a dog eat dog world, but one where cooperation is rewarded, that kind of thing.

          • TillieNeuen [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            That is so cool. The message I had received before I read about that scientist was definitely that psychopaths are fundamentally broken people, and I hated thinking that. Like, all my friends were watching Dexter and I refused because I'd heard that his dad realized he would inevitably grow up to be a serial killer, so he decided to train him to hunt other serial killers. The thought that some poor kid would just be doomed to be a serial killer no matter what was something that I just could not get on board with, not even in fiction. It's great to think about your friend's theory that psychopathy might be curable in adulthood as well. If we had a justice system that made any kind of sense, that would surely be part of it. Anyway, that article made me think of psychopaths as not being uniquely dangerous, but instead as being uniquely in danger of being damaged by our alienated society. It's been on my mind off and on for years, whenever something even tangentially related comes up. And you taught me more tonight, so thanks for that.

              • TillieNeuen [she/her]
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                3 years ago

                Yeah, and acquaintance called me anti-science for not believing the premise when the show came up in conversation, but I was pretty much like, well, go ahead and call me irrational since I have no proof that it's wrong, but I refuse to believe that a person is doomed to a life of crime just because they happened to be born with a certain kind of brain. It's nice to know my blind faith was justified, lol.

    • Omega_Haxors [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Fallon was once a self-proclaimed genetic determinist, but his views on the influence of genes on behavior have evolved.

      Yep, psychopath.

        • Omega_Haxors [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          Also the "I can't be mentally ill, mentally ill means bad person, and i'm not a bad person" reeks of psychopathy.

          When faced with the irrefutable evidence that mental illness doesn't make you a bad person, he chooses instead to reject the evidence.

          • TillieNeuen [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            Well, he did accept that he's a psychopath, he just theorizes that his secure and loving upbringing helped him to be well adjusted so his psychopathy manifests in less antisocial ways.