"I propose Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, but reversed this time so it’s Harris-Biden.

Then in 2028 we go back to Biden-Harris, Harris-Buttigieg in 2032, Buttigieg-Abrams in 36, Abrams-Butti in 40, Butti-Abrams again 44, then Abrams-TBD in 48. After that, I don’t know"