⭕ #ÚLTIMOMINUTO @gabrielboric es el nuevo presidente electo de Chile. Resultados MINUTO A MINUTO ➡ https://t.co/sHzWXvKwrISeñal EN VIVO ➡ https://t.co/0VjRu7kAgz pic.twitter.com/bP68NNnIzf— 24 Horas (@24HorasTVN) December 19, 2021
Anti-imperialism and plurinationalism are the way forward
We’ve seen lots of Boric types regularly win executive office throughout LAmerica and proceed to acquiesce to American power. Leaders must be held to the standard of Maduro, Morales, and maybe Lula for anything significant to change.
lula doesnt quite belong in a list of stalwart leaders who’d never acquiesce to their right lol…. maduro and morales, god bless them, are not that caricature either. we’re still talking about people and parties elected to administer the bourgeois state. the expectations built around these movements can get out of hnd. chile is undergoing a profound reform process that boric will be responsible for ratifying. he’s entering government with a socialist-communist coalition that we can expect, or demand, a substantial dignification of people’s lives from
yeah the elected president has answered the wrong thing to questions about protests in cuba before. thats too bad! people need to chill with their preemptive catastrophizing, especially as we’re entering an era of interamerican socdem cooperation. boric is now an important piece of one of the most promising and farthest reaching latin american political movements in decades. his coalition offers possibilities that the victories in mexico, peru, nicaragua, etc havent arrived to yet (and without the burden of the crises in venezuela and argentina!), way beyond what zelaya was to honduras in 2009 but we were still pretty fucking happy when xiomara won (in an alliance with the right! just like amlo, just like lula, and unlike boric - who daringly spurned the right wing 3rd place candidate days before the election!), weren’t we?
i was skeptical of him as a candidate too, partially based on the peru experience where his “caviar” equivalent (vero mendoza) fell apart, and here there wasnt a castillo to pick up the pieces. but guess what? he won and with a pretty fucking strong mandate. we got the constituent assembly. its a great, exciting victory for chile
Every person here that points to some nuance/things to keep in mind and have realistic expectations (since the post mentions leftism and anti-imperialism) also says this win is a good thing for chile and the world regardless and one to be celebrated. I dont see what the issue is ? I made my comment based on discussions i had with latin american and chilean communists and from directly translated articles from radical chilean press. If Grayzone says so too while still saying the whole outcome is good , great they would be correct as well
i have never read a grayzone article (?), i'm just a brazilian commie who is very tired of the PT soclibs and wanted a stronger left to win somewhere around here, just so that maybe lula would stop thinking he needs to nominate god damn alckmin as his VP
Yeah, they're contrarians, but they're not ultras (as in ultra-leftists). At least, I've never seen GZ worrying about how the USSR never abolished commodity production.
people here need to stop reading so much grayzone lol this is good as fuck for chile and the world
We’ve seen lots of Boric types regularly win executive office throughout LAmerica and proceed to acquiesce to American power. Leaders must be held to the standard of Maduro, Morales, and maybe Lula for anything significant to change.
lula doesnt quite belong in a list of stalwart leaders who’d never acquiesce to their right lol…. maduro and morales, god bless them, are not that caricature either. we’re still talking about people and parties elected to administer the bourgeois state. the expectations built around these movements can get out of hnd. chile is undergoing a profound reform process that boric will be responsible for ratifying. he’s entering government with a socialist-communist coalition that we can expect, or demand, a substantial dignification of people’s lives from
yeah the elected president has answered the wrong thing to questions about protests in cuba before. thats too bad! people need to chill with their preemptive catastrophizing, especially as we’re entering an era of interamerican socdem cooperation. boric is now an important piece of one of the most promising and farthest reaching latin american political movements in decades. his coalition offers possibilities that the victories in mexico, peru, nicaragua, etc havent arrived to yet (and without the burden of the crises in venezuela and argentina!), way beyond what zelaya was to honduras in 2009 but we were still pretty fucking happy when xiomara won (in an alliance with the right! just like amlo, just like lula, and unlike boric - who daringly spurned the right wing 3rd place candidate days before the election!), weren’t we?
i was skeptical of him as a candidate too, partially based on the peru experience where his “caviar” equivalent (vero mendoza) fell apart, and here there wasnt a castillo to pick up the pieces. but guess what? he won and with a pretty fucking strong mandate. we got the constituent assembly. its a great, exciting victory for chile
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Every person here that points to some nuance/things to keep in mind and have realistic expectations (since the post mentions leftism and anti-imperialism) also says this win is a good thing for chile and the world regardless and one to be celebrated. I dont see what the issue is ? I made my comment based on discussions i had with latin american and chilean communists and from directly translated articles from radical chilean press. If Grayzone says so too while still saying the whole outcome is good , great they would be correct as well
i have never read a grayzone article (?), i'm just a brazilian commie who is very tired of the PT soclibs and wanted a stronger left to win somewhere around here, just so that maybe lula would stop thinking he needs to nominate god damn alckmin as his VP
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Contrarian ultras
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I think he's calling GZ and BT contrarian ultras, not you. Which is weird, because I'm not sure I'd call GZ ultras, they're just regular contrarians.
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Yeah, they're contrarians, but they're not ultras (as in ultra-leftists). At least, I've never seen GZ worrying about how the USSR never abolished commodity production.
wait, who, me or gz? i feel like this comment makes much more sense for one than the other
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