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Anti-imperialism and plurinationalism are the way forward
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This is great of course but people shouldnt attach much "anti imperialism" hope on this
Boric program/outlook seems pretty good domesticaly(well good socdem) but he was bashing the communist party and even the socialist party for having solidarity with “authoritarian countries”, saying he won’t recognize Ortega as legitimate president if he wins, saying he will cooperate with the EU to be tough on Maduro and pressure Venezuela and praising the color revolution in Cuba. All of which are more than alarming. Even Chomsky endorsed the communist party over “demsoc/libsoc” Boric in the primaries ,probably for that reason
So it would be cool if that front gets patched up due to the coalition cause its one of the most important regarding aspects for leftism in south america so hopefully the coalition with the socialists/communists will push the front towards good anti imperialist positions (tho as far as i know he said that his foreign policy line is to be adopted). People should be happy he won against a fascist but its not pessimism to say people shouldnt be very hopefull for anything noticably to the left of idk ALMO (looking at Americas) and prepared for a Syriza/Tsipras outcome
I mean yeah like i said people should be happy. A socdem, even with shitty foreign policy takes, winning against a quasi-fascist is a win to be celebrated and a good thing overall. Im just clearing some things up and to have in mind and to not get disappointed in the future by expectations of a actively Leftist anti-imperialist government
Leftists can't turn down potential allies. Trading with the USA will lead to coups, trading with Chile, succdems or no, might not.
While I generally think you should believe people when they say who they are, I'm hoping some of that was just talk to attract the centrists. Either way Chile isn't the actual Evil Empire (:amerikkka:) so I think as long as they keep trade open and good relations with Maduro, Ortega, Diaz-Canel et al, the end result should be fine. Not ideal, but OK.
he's a social democrat and i'm skeptical of his anti-imperialism given his comments during the elections
but then again, the chilean left is strong and he needs them, so they can force his ass to not be be a piece of shit
The reddit comments aren't too bad but gotta laugh at the scariest headline this local news affiliate came up with:
Leftist Millennial Wins Election as Chile's Next President Oh no, not the leftist millennials! :scared-fash:
Juan Guaido is a member of the Progressive International
This guy seems cooler, tho
EDIT: I was wrong
Juan Guaido is a member of the Progressive International
Well sadly they are both anti-Maduro so there is that
Juan Guaido has more memberships than Granpa Simpson in the hopes he'll become president of something eventually
Let's see. I'm an Elk, a Mason, a Communist, the President of Venezuela for some reason.
no he’s not. you’re thinking of the socialist international, completely unrelated
As the chilean say goes, tomorrow the tea will be sweeter and the bread crunchier :meow-fiesta:
Yay! More hope for South America after decades of the US killing it! Fuck the USA, fuck the CIA, fuck the NSA, fuck the FBI, fuck the Peenershit zoophile fanboys, fuck whatever the one dipshit chud's name was that was also running, fuck Henry Kissinger, fuck the CIA again, and fuck Canada.
Peenershit
I'm sorry, that's a new one. Who are you referring to, exactly?
I want to hug this man. Everytime I see the left win in South America it nearly makes me cry. All that suffering was not for nothing.
people here need to stop reading so much grayzone lol this is good as fuck for chile and the world
We’ve seen lots of Boric types regularly win executive office throughout LAmerica and proceed to acquiesce to American power. Leaders must be held to the standard of Maduro, Morales, and maybe Lula for anything significant to change.
lula doesnt quite belong in a list of stalwart leaders who’d never acquiesce to their right lol…. maduro and morales, god bless them, are not that caricature either. we’re still talking about people and parties elected to administer the bourgeois state. the expectations built around these movements can get out of hnd. chile is undergoing a profound reform process that boric will be responsible for ratifying. he’s entering government with a socialist-communist coalition that we can expect, or demand, a substantial dignification of people’s lives from
yeah the elected president has answered the wrong thing to questions about protests in cuba before. thats too bad! people need to chill with their preemptive catastrophizing, especially as we’re entering an era of interamerican socdem cooperation. boric is now an important piece of one of the most promising and farthest reaching latin american political movements in decades. his coalition offers possibilities that the victories in mexico, peru, nicaragua, etc havent arrived to yet (and without the burden of the crises in venezuela and argentina!), way beyond what zelaya was to honduras in 2009 but we were still pretty fucking happy when xiomara won (in an alliance with the right! just like amlo, just like lula, and unlike boric - who daringly spurned the right wing 3rd place candidate days before the election!), weren’t we?
i was skeptical of him as a candidate too, partially based on the peru experience where his “caviar” equivalent (vero mendoza) fell apart, and here there wasnt a castillo to pick up the pieces. but guess what? he won and with a pretty fucking strong mandate. we got the constituent assembly. its a great, exciting victory for chile
Every person here that points to some nuance/things to keep in mind and have realistic expectations (since the post mentions leftism and anti-imperialism) also says this win is a good thing for chile and the world regardless and one to be celebrated. I dont see what the issue is ? I made my comment based on discussions i had with latin american and chilean communists and from directly translated articles from radical chilean press. If Grayzone says so too while still saying the whole outcome is good , great they would be correct as well
I think he's calling GZ and BT contrarian ultras, not you. Which is weird, because I'm not sure I'd call GZ ultras, they're just regular contrarians.
Yeah, they're contrarians, but they're not ultras (as in ultra-leftists). At least, I've never seen GZ worrying about how the USSR never abolished commodity production.
wait, who, me or gz? i feel like this comment makes much more sense for one than the other
i have never read a grayzone article (?), i'm just a brazilian commie who is very tired of the PT soclibs and wanted a stronger left to win somewhere around here, just so that maybe lula would stop thinking he needs to nominate god damn alckmin as his VP
