I advocated lockdowns combined with strong social safety net protections and a thorough testing regime and the person still said "yeah but the other effects." When I pressed as to what effects, they said "well children won't be able to socialize." Like yeah.... that's bad, but you know what else can effect a child's mental health: mommy/daddy/granpa/grandma/etc dying from a totally preventable pathogen.... Jesus and this person is in "academia" doing anthro and shit....
The discussion really ought to be about the freedom to choose which of our overlords get the guillotine and which get the wall.
Guillotine for the bigger ones to make a spectacle and send a message, wall for the lesser ones for greater efficiency. Boom, solved. Next issue!