Fuck Edge.

      • fart [he/him]
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        3 年前

        according to the upgrade menu, my computer is too old and bad to upgrade😎

        • Notcontenttobequiet [he/him]
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          3 年前

          I have an AMD Ryzen 5 pc with like 16 GB of RAM and it's "too old" to upgrade. I heard that Microsoft was trying to push back against AMD processors or something. I think it's hilariously obvious they're trying to leverage they're pre-built PCs with Intel processors.

          • blobjim [he/him]
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            3 年前

            I think it's just wanting people to buy new computers. I have an Intel 7th gen CPU that I got a couple years ago that works perfectly well (except for specter) and it's too old of a CPU model to upgrade. 8th generation and newer are compatible though. You are able to install Windows 11 on older computers but I don't think you get Windows Update and it isn't really supported.

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        3 年前

        fuck that, I'll be moving the PC to linux soon then. only inertia and video games have stopped me to date

      • Wildgrapes [she/her]
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        3 年前

        I recommend switching. The only games I have not been able to run on linux are microsoft game store exclusives. Halo mainly.

        I barely play multiplayer games though and I think those have the most issues due to anticheat things.

    • blobjim [he/him]
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      3 年前

      If Linux users bother to settle on a desktop environment to actually polish and standardize, implement a good desktop application packaging system that allows you to install third party software easily, and make installation easier still, then maybe in 10 years.

      I think the main barrier to better support is that it's only regular users that have to care about Windows 11 BS because corporations just buy the enterprise edition or whatever which lets you directly disable all the bad Windows features.

      But I guess Ubuntu is probably the best choice given just how horrible Windows is, because it actually has the support of a company.

      • Wildgrapes [she/her]
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        3 年前

        I mean I can't deny it's a bit annoying sometimes to set up. But like I honestly don't think any polished linux distro is more annoying than windows. People are just used to windows BS. Anyway pop_os is a great polished ubuntu version that is has a great installer and a company behind it

        Something goes wrong on windows: oh well I'll find a workaround or just forget it.

        Something goes wrong on linux: fuckin piece of shit linux can't do nothing right.

        • blobjim [he/him]
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          3 年前

          Well "more annoying" than Windows can easily become "unusable" if some thing that's available on Windows isn't available on Linux. I keep going back to the fact that I can't set the display scale on my Linux install on my laptop to 150% which is what it's at in Windows. Only options are 100% and 200% which is either too small or too large. And I can't change the mouse scroll speed either because he person who maintains the scroll speed code that Linux distros/desktop environments/whatever use doesn't think you should be able too :agony-shivering: And I don't think Ubuntu even has these options. Completely ridiculous clown stuff that exists because insufferable Linux nerds aren't human beings.

          • Owl [he/him]
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            3 年前

            I had exactly the same problems as you described and was going to give you my workarounds, but

            insufferable Linux nerds aren’t human beings.

            Fuck off. You sound like a god damned nazi.

            • blobjim [he/him]
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              3 年前

              Humans don't think terminal shells are good user interfaces that are easy to understand. Maybe a robot might think that.

              The workarounds for these things are usually mess with some random config file, or create some startup script that runs a command that hopefully changes the correct thing. In other words, always hacks that you'll have to write down in some notebook to make sure you can repeat the fix later. But part of the problem is operating system that rely on a pile of shell scripts and config files to work properly are fragile and bad. And part of it is that nobody is actually working on making it better it seems like.

                • blobjim [he/him]
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                  3 年前

                  Yes, desktop-Linux-obsessed people tend to ignore the shortcomings of Linux instead of acknowledging that one cannot simply "use Linux". Regular people can barely even use a desktop computer these days let alone one that shows a seizure-inducing boot log on every startup.

                  • Owl [he/him]
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                    3 年前

                    Look if you start calling people subhuman you don't deserve tech support form them.

                    • blobjim [he/him]
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                      3 年前

                      I'm not calling you subhuman. It's just a dig at ridiculous out-of-touch tech people that think everyone wants to learn 10 thousand shell commands and spend two hours installing software that has a one page user manual.

                      I do hope Linux will be usable in the future. But there really isn't much "innovation" in that area right now it seems especially when most Linux distros are so techie-oriented. Operating systems are supposed to have functionality usable by any person. How many Linux distros even have help menus or little info "blips" or things like that?

  • Ploumeister [he/him]
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    3 年前

    I’m just running windows 10 until they drop support for it then going to linux and hopefully by then linux will be in a more user friendly state with more support from companies

    • space_comrade [he/him]
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      3 年前

      Same here, I'm fucking done.

      I head good things about Wine in the last few years, apparently it's pretty seamless for a lot of stuff, even games.

    • fanbois [he/him]
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      3 年前

      I did the switch to Mint Cinnamon about two months ago. Installing took like 15-20 minutes + 30 minutes tweaking the ui and finding my way around. 95% worked out of the box, the screen setup via a dell hub required a bit of tweaking and i had to add a few lines to a config file to remove screen tearing.

      On the other hand: It shuts down when i press the fucking button. There are no ads. No random popups. No unremovable software. No Xbox game garbage, cortana, spyware, candy crush, news feeds, resetting of default software changes or forced updates. It's fast and clean and only does shit if you tell it too.

      Yes, it is sometimes a little obtuse and at some point, you might be forced to copy a command line from the internet into your terminal or a config file because writing a GUI seems often like the last priority for linux devs. But for the most part it just works.

    • kristina [she/her]
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      3 年前

      i like linux but my bideo baems and apps dont work well on it :sadness:

    • mittens [he/him]
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      3 年前

      Presumably yes, if you were to hypothetically remove Edge, some features would break since there's no way to set apps to intercept the microsoft-edge:// scheme now.

      • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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        3 年前

        I remember when apple first let you removed the default apps I removed Apple Music bc I never use it and it broke my phones ability to play any sound on any app

  • redthebaron [he/him]
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    3 年前

    i kinda really dislike the tone of the windows update notifications like "this machine could run windows 11" IS THAT A THREAT?

    • mittens [he/him]
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      3 年前

      When an app on windows needs to access the browser for some reason, it usually opens the default browser, which you can set yourself. Microsoft has made it so that every application that has the microsoft-edge scheme will open the edge browser and there's no way to change this, except to intercept this via a third party process. In pratice, that means that every link that opens a browser in all of Windows and on every Microsoft first party application (so Outlook, Office, etc) will open Edge. It doesn't necessarily cover every application, unless Microsoft decides to silently change every scheme to microsoft-edge (that is, changing every URL from http:// to microsoft-edge:// on the fly, which would be incredibly nasty) In addition to this, Microsoft already made it very cumbersome to change the default browser to begin with (AFAIK, you need to manually enable your browser on an extension by extension basis, very shitty)

  • Fundle [he/him]
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    3 年前

    I've never ran Linux. I guess my main fear is not having the necessary drivers needed for the various parts of my PC and spending hours trying to fix it and not being able to

      • Shinji_Ikari [he/him]
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        3 年前

        Those new synaptic fingerprint sensors are a thorn in the side. Synaptic essentially decided they weren't going to release any linux binaries for it, unlike the old ones, and definitely wont open source it, so people had/have to reverse engineer it.

          • Shinji_Ikari [he/him]
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            3 年前

            My work machine has one of those. In 2016 I spec'd out a thinkpad without realizing the fingerprint reader would be useless in linux and I regret having that weird divot in the palmrest.

      • Fundle [he/him]
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        3 年前

        Ok good to know. I've wanted to dip my toe into linux for awhile, but I've always been sorta hesitant about it

    • mittens [he/him]
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      3 年前

      There are a few machine configurations which make it harder I suppose, but stuff like Ubuntu covers such a wide array of hardware nowadays and the process has become so streamlined it's probably more than worth a shot.

    • Owl [he/him]
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      3 年前

      All the typical newbie-friendly Linux distros come in a "Live USB" format, where you make a special USB stick, put it into your computer, restart, and then you're in that flavor of Linux. No risk, it's not installed unless you hit the big "install" button on there.

      My general Linux advice is to try one of those, go putter around in that for a while, and see if everything works for you. The big ones are internet and, if you're on a laptop, hibernate/suspend. If stuff works on the live USB, go for it. (Back up your shit first though, this applies for installing any OS, and also just if you haven't done it in a while.)

      And if stuff on the live USB doesn't work, don't bother. File a bug report somewhere if you're feeling particularly charitable. Try a different distro if you're particularly determined. Try again in six months, or when you get a new computer. It's unfortunate, but that's what we're stuck with as long as Windows gets preinstalled and Linux doesn't.