Why yes, I'd love to see a character scream as someone pulls out their eye while they're wide awake. Really want to see that on Star Trek. That's what the whimsical sci-fi show was missing.
What's worse is that they already had a torture episode in TNG and it actually dealt with it in a mature manner, like actually showing torture as the useless intelligence extractor it is and just done for the pleasure of the torturer.
I feel :jokerfied: when any criticism of such cheap sensationalist "prestige" gimmicks gets a defensive fandom response like "not everything has to be a morality play" as if there's no other way to tell a story other than the camera focusing on Icheb getting his eye ripped out of his head.
I remember when Man of Steel came out and a lot of the criticism around that was the senseless destruction in the last part of the movie.
It was almost always met with the response "well, that's what would happen if two superheroes fought in real life" which I always thought was strange. Art is not real life. It never can be real. At its closest, it is an interpretation of reality through whatever mechanism you use. Hundreds of people all collaborated to show 9/11 times a thousand happen on-screen with the colour palette grimmer than Schindler's List.
You can say "sometimes people die violently in real life" and okay? But it was someone's artistic choice to portray that. It didn't just happen, the person making the art chose to portray torture, murder, rape etc.
If you're going to show something like that, then you have to accept the incredible weight that comes with those actions. If your character dies violently on-screen it better be for a better reason than "gotta give Seven of Nine something to do, like revenge or something idk".
I hated that Nolan take that Superman would "realistically" be feared and hated.
He was projecting his own Randian nonsense onto the general population.
One of the basic foundational things about Superman was that he was supposed to be INSPIRATIONAL. People literally looked up, cheered, were thrilled by his feats.
They had this in Star Trek: Picard.
Why yes, I'd love to see a character scream as someone pulls out their eye while they're wide awake. Really want to see that on Star Trek. That's what the whimsical sci-fi show was missing.
What's worse is that they already had a torture episode in TNG and it actually dealt with it in a mature manner, like actually showing torture as the useless intelligence extractor it is and just done for the pleasure of the torturer.
Now it's reduced to shock value nonsense.
I feel :jokerfied: when any criticism of such cheap sensationalist "prestige" gimmicks gets a defensive fandom response like "not everything has to be a morality play" as if there's no other way to tell a story other than the camera focusing on Icheb getting his eye ripped out of his head.
I remember when Man of Steel came out and a lot of the criticism around that was the senseless destruction in the last part of the movie.
It was almost always met with the response "well, that's what would happen if two superheroes fought in real life" which I always thought was strange. Art is not real life. It never can be real. At its closest, it is an interpretation of reality through whatever mechanism you use. Hundreds of people all collaborated to show 9/11 times a thousand happen on-screen with the colour palette grimmer than Schindler's List.
You can say "sometimes people die violently in real life" and okay? But it was someone's artistic choice to portray that. It didn't just happen, the person making the art chose to portray torture, murder, rape etc.
If you're going to show something like that, then you have to accept the incredible weight that comes with those actions. If your character dies violently on-screen it better be for a better reason than "gotta give Seven of Nine something to do, like revenge or something idk".
I hated that Nolan take that Superman would "realistically" be feared and hated.
He was projecting his own Randian nonsense onto the general population.
One of the basic foundational things about Superman was that he was supposed to be INSPIRATIONAL. People literally looked up, cheered, were thrilled by his feats.
Fuck Nolan.
Nolan was just a producer. Snyder was the director.
But he definitely had an influence, especially after his "realistic" Dark Knight trilogy.