A couple of especially interesting highlights:
Soviet officials believed right away that it was an “ultraright” coup
As of 1965, KGB claimed to have data that implicated LBJ in the plot
A couple of especially interesting highlights:
Soviet officials believed right away that it was an “ultraright” coup
As of 1965, KGB claimed to have data that implicated LBJ in the plot
LHO tested negative for gunshot residue that day, and there were witnesses in the stairwell in the moments after the assassination who would have seen him descending (but did not). Not to mention the magic bullet, which is the only way to make a single shooter work. There was also a tree blocking his view for two of the three shots.
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If you believe the Warren report the. You don't believe the standard physics model, no way a bullet cause 7 wounds changed direction mid air multiple times and remained intact after shattering a wrist bone
I’ve been listening to an audiobook of JFK and the Unspeakable and if even a sliver of what the book describes is true, it makes it very difficult to believe the official version of events.
Aside from everything else, one of the biggest things that has always stuck out to me (besides the magic bullet) is that the head wound seems entirely inconsistent with a shot from behind, and lines up much better with a shot coming from the fence/grassy knoll (since the head immediately went back and to the left). There were also witnesses who claimed they heard at least one of the gunshots coming from that area.
Related, there was a great documentary that came out this year called JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass that covers this and other questionable aspects of the assassination pretty well.
best scene in the Movie , "Back and to the Left" - Rewind - "Back and to the Left" .. it was full of so many details i totally forgot , but "Back and to the Left" was profund .
That's from Stone's first film on JFK, no? I haven't yet seen Through the Looking Glass.
Yep, that’s from the first JFK.
Through the Looking Glass is a full blown documentary and not a dramatization (unlike JFK), but I thought it was great and highly recommend it.
https://youtu.be/OSzszCTWFwg
My favorite scene of any movie. I was on the edge of my seat with my eyes glued to every frame. Every piece of the movie is threaded together in that climax :chefs-kiss: .
This copy is better quality I think.
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"Ten to twelve men. Three teams. Three shooters. The triangulation of fire that Clay Shaw and David Ferrie discussed two months before..."
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THEY'VE WALKED THE PLAZA.
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THEY KNOW EVER INCH.
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THEY'VE CALIBRATED THEIR SIGHTS.
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THEY'VE PRACTICED ON MOVING TARGETS.
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THEY'RE READY!
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KENNEDY'S MOTORCADE MAKES THE TURN FROM MAIN ONTO HOUSTON.
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IT'S GONNA BE A TURKEY SHOOT.
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They don't shoot him coming up Houston, WHICH IS THE EASIEST SHOT FOR A SINGLE SHOOTER IN THE BOOK DEPOSITORY!
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THEY WAIT!
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THEY WAIT UNTIL HE GETS IN THE KILLING ZONE BETWEEN THREE RIFLES.
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KENNEDY MAKES THE FINAL TURN FROM HOUSTON ONTO ELM, SLOWING DOWN TO SOME 11 MILES AN HOUR.
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The shooters across Dealey Plaza tighten, taking their aim, waiting for the radio to say
"GREEN! GREEN!" or "ABORT! ABORT!"...
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The witnesses are often overlooked. If there were one or two outlier witnesses who claimed to hear something from the knoll that would be one thing ("chaos of the moment" blah blah blah), but it was like FIFTY fucking people who claimed they heard shots there, by far the majority. On amateur footage you can even see groups of people rushing over to the knoll to investigate.
The need for a "magic bullet" misunderstands the layout of the car itself. It wasn't a standard car with standard seating- JFK's seat was offset in an unusual position for the sake of emphasizing him vs the other occupants of the car.
Assuming you're correct for a moment and the unusual seating position is sufficient to explain the bizarre locations of the seven bullet wounds, there is still the matter of timing. Kennedy can be seen grasping at his throat wound for several moments in the film while Connally's wrist is still unharmed. This is a problem because the same bullet is supposed to have caused both wounds (throat and wrist) in the single shooter theory.
Also, I'm curious where you found that explanation; I'd like to check it out. The source wouldn't happen to be the History Channel, would it? I remember seeing a lot of assassination documentaries on there.
I honestly don't fully remember where I saw that, but I do remember seeing it in multiple places.
Sorry, I know that's really unhelpful
That's okay, comrade. If you happen to remember or see it in the future, send it my way.
This stuff has all been hashed out at length and there have been MASSIVE books written on the subject, both for and against. At this point, anyone can find mountains of evidence to support whatever POV they want.
That's intellectually lazy tbh. You'll find that a lot of this stuff actually doesn't have a proper response to it. It's just dealt with by ignoring the question entirely, gaslighting, or repeating a different set of talking points to make you forget it.
It's not "intellectually lazy" to think we aren't going to finally settle this debate that's been ongoing for almost 60 years in this forum thread.
I'm familiar with the points you raised, and personally found them unconvincing, but I'm not interested in writing a massive essay about it here, especially because as I said, that essay has already been written a thousand times.
Evolution is settled science but the debate over it will continue indefinitely because there exist people for which it is completely incompatible with their belief system.
In a similar fashion, the debate over JFK will continue for so long as the current power structure remains in place in America, because admitting to complicity in state crimes against democracy would completely undermine the legitimacy of their claim to power.
With that closing remark, I'm happy to disengage like you suggested, comrade.
Sometimes people can be wrong about a subject for a long time. People still think Socialism is bad, guess we can't disagree!
What are you talking about? Thats not even close to relevant.
The point isn't that the issue can never be settled, it's that I personally don't want to argue about it. But I guess you really had to "score some points" huh?
Why did you bring this stupid bullshit up if you didn't want to talk about it?
It was a one sentence aside in a comment about LBJ. Get over it.
No investigation, no right to speak.
The magic bullet theory is easily addressed by the knowledge that Connally was sitting on a jumper seat that was lower and more inboard than Kennedy
That doesn't address the timing issues, as I explained here.
Edit: Do you remember where you heard or read that?
I saw it on a documentary like 20 years ago (maybe on Discovery?) but you can also see it by googling "kennedy limousine seats"
I had a strong feeling that this came from a documentary that aired on the History or Discovery Channel. The CIA has produced several MSM documentaries over the decades to prop up the Warren Commission. One of them even had me fooled until a few years ago.
okay bro
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