Title: Retired general warns the U.S. military could lead a coup after the 2024 election

Only in communist countries do they politically brainwash their soldiers.

  • Nakoichi [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    I had a conversation with somebody about my age and we were talking about civics lessons, liberal arts education, and the development of the philosophical underpinnings of the U.S. Constitution.

    Just fucking teach people Marxism. Dispel the myths around it, teach people revolutionary class consciousness. Yeah that might make a bunch of people quit and organize for PPW but fuck that's the logical conclusion of this statement.

    These contradictions are gonna resolve themselves one way or another and if these assholes really wanted to stop these fascists they wouldn't be teaching people to be more liberal.

    That Milley guy even said he read Lenin and Mao they know what they're doing.

    Are civics lessons 'weak tea' to stave off an insurrection?

    Yes, yes they are. These types of articles are so devoid of material analysis it's amazing, they can't even begin to examine the underlying material conditions and history of fascist movements in the US and instead do this :who-did-this: bullshit.

      • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]
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        3 years ago

        I think that all I ever learned about Marx and communism in 16 years of schooling (K-12 + a 4 year degree) was that "Marx invented communism, there was a revolution in Russia some time later, oh and then we had the Red Scare but thats over now"

        • SoyViking [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I feel lucky that my dad has a PhD in history/philosophy and that my mum used to be a card-carrying communist. I picked up a lot of political theory and history just by osmosis.

          The education system was shit at explaining anything about Marxism. I remember a short chapter about socialism in a grade 9 civics book having a very basic explanation of the LTV. Other than that I only learned about Marxism at law school when we had a half-assed class on philosophy/legal theory that was designed more to teach dumbass teenagers straight out of high school the proper professional jargon to not look stupid in professional legal circles than to impart any real knowledge. That class covered Marxism with a four page chapter in the textbook and a single 45 minute lesson.

          I can't begin to imagine how little most normies actually know about Marxism, socialism and communism. All they have ever been exposed to is vague leftover cold war propaganda. Most people seem perfectly happy to believe that the people who liberated Auschwitz were just as bad as the people who built it.

          • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]
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            3 years ago

            I feel lucky that my dad has a PhD in history/philosophy

            My dad has a PHD in philosophy of education and he is the most lib of all libs. Very lucky in that he's antiracist and completely supportive of the LGBTQ+ community, but holy shit his opinions of communism come straight from the CIA (he was born in the late 40s so that all tracks), and he's not very well read on anything Marxist or Marxist adjacent. I know I've posted this before, but when I came out as an ML to my folks, he tried to point to Putin's Russia as "why communism didnt work" and I just laughed and said his shit was revisionist and reactionary.

            • emizeko [they/them]
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              3 years ago

              when they think Russia is still communist and think they can condescend to you on your ignorance, just grinds my fuckin gears so hard

              • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]
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                3 years ago

                He tried to open a dialogue with me about Marxism, but his ramblings were so bad I said "lets put a pin in this, I'll reply to your shit point by point later" and I've just never gotten around to it.

            • SoyViking [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Don't get me wrong, my dad has the most amazingly shitty politics, but he knows a lot and has introduced me to a logical way of thinking that I'm really grateful for.

              My dad is a great example of how intelligent people can arrive at batshit crazy beliefs. He is reading Marx and despises rich people and neoliberalism but he also believes in cold-war anti-communist propaganda, right-wing culture war bullshit including Islamophobic "great replacement" conspiracies. He hates modern succdems for their obvious betrayals but thinks that they are different from the "real" succdems who created the welfare state. Ideally he would like to live in a 1950's succdem welfare state without any post-1970 technology, LGBT or brown people.

          • Husski_Heresy [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            This is funny because in my second year of law school we spent the last half of the trimester on Marxism in the property law class. The first half of the class was dedicated to showing that capitalism was just an extension of fuedalism and just an exchange of hands in regards to property. It's been a while, I'll have to reread my notes from the class.

            • SoyViking [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              We had the aforementioned half-assed class for a semester or two where they would touch on topics like "what is property?" and "what is law?" but all in all legal education was very unreflected and the concept of justice in any moral or philosophical sense was treated as a complete joke. We learned all the nuts and bolts of capitalist class justice that would make us good lawyers and bureaucrats but nothing that would make us challenge the existing order.

              • Husski_Heresy [she/her]
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                3 years ago

                Yeah, aside from that once class, all of my law school has been focused on the little details of the law and setting us up to be alright at our jobs and stuff. However i was very silly and took a double degree of law and criminology, so its kinda funny to have all the law classes teach as if the Law is for all intents and purposes perfect and just, and then go across campus to the criminology class and be taught its all lies. I have to say though, I'm surprised that my criminology degree hasn't gone all in on the " muh personal responsibility" aspect of criminological theories.

                • SoyViking [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  I think that is because "muh personal responsibility" is just a dumbass reactionary opinion and not a conclusion one can honestly arrive at from looking at the actual data on crine. Academia is full of power-serving ghouls but there are also lots and lots of nerds who just want to find out how stuff works.

                  • Husski_Heresy [she/her]
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                    3 years ago

                    Yeah, it's definitely just dumbass reactionaries jerking each other off over what they think cause crime, and i remember going over some Including phrenology, although it was a "look at it and laugh" thing but by and large all the theories taken seriously were about how material conditions and poverty cause crime. And i agree, being one of those nerds who wants to know why stuff happens and how.

          • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]
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            3 years ago

            Oh yeah, I didnt learn what Marxism actually was until like....a few years ago really. I just knew that he was "a philospher in the 1800s who invented communism." As much as one can "invent" something like that. We were just taught his name, what he was famous for, and then we moved on.

    • CopsDyingIsGood [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      if these assholes really wanted to stop these fascists they wouldn’t be teaching people to be more liberal.

      They don't care about stopping fascists though. Liberals couldn't give less of a shit

    • BeamBrain [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Are civics lessons ‘weak tea’ to stave off an insurrection?

      I'm sure some liberal platitudes will totally defuse all civil unrest as imperial collapse continues to worsen