The furthering of science is an endeavor that all of humanity should support. Do you think NASA sits around all day dreaming about shooting rockets and that’s all they do?
Would you rather the money be given to NASA? Or the US Navy? I’d rather have space missions then another US carrier.
Calling for astronauts to be burned alive is also disgusting.
The furthering of science is an endeavor that all of humanity should support. Do you think nasa sits around all day dreaming about shoot rockets and that’s all they do?
Furthering of science is good in the abstract but not if those scientific advancements fall first and foremost into the hands of the most vicious and violent empire of our time. The fact that they actually do make launches is the problem - NASA provides much of the lift capacity for America's military satellite fleet and develops many of the technologies that allow the US to militarize space and the upper atmosphere.
Like yeah, cool, NASA's latest probe showed us what the inside of an asteroid is made up of. Let me just share that fun science fact with the Palestinian orphan whose parents were blown up by a GPS bomb guided by satellites NASA helped launch.
NASA is more then just “shoot rocket”. That’s not what I mean by “furthering science”, and like I mentioned, launching and creating military centered satellites falls to the airforce, not NASA.
NASA are a bunch of nerds sitting around computers analyzing atmospheric data and long range telescopes in the middle of the godforsaken wilderness a hundred miles from the closest person.
And I would rather have more goofy space nerds then US weapons of war.
Further, who cares that the US discovers something first? There is nothing they can discover that would “tip the scales” and be some sort of world changing event that would lead to more US terror. What they find can be utilized by others instead of having duplicate efforts simply wasting time, manpower, and effort. Science should not have borders. Just because some will try to use it for war doesn’t mean that it’s now horrible.
If NASA was able to be completely decoupled from the military industrial complex, you might have a point. But as it stands, whatever they discover, especially if it turns out to be tactically advantageous, will immediately be classified and used only for secret military shit.
The Space Force are not Star Wars stormtroopers. They are compsci nerds doing
institutionally backed hacking. It’s just the Airforce v2 for propaganda sake. Plus it’s abysmally tiny because you don’t need hundreds of thousands of compsci nerds.
It’s just a different name for a US hacking military outfit. They aren’t doing research into nebulas and space rocks.
If the US government can weaponize vaccination programs, foreign aid and infrastructure loans, I have zero faith that our space military won't be used for doing space nazi shit. Besides, there's no way the data gained from genuinely innocent NASA launches hasn't been collected and used to model preemptive nuclear strikes or some other shit. It doesn't matter how small-intentioned or militarily inconsequential they may be now, anything under the purview of imperial power, even just it's knowledge, will eventually be turned towards Imperial ends.
Yes, that’s why we should urge funding to be spent not on scientists collecting data that could be used for preemptive nuclear strikes, and instead on building more nuclear missiles, submarines, and weapons of war. That is the better path forward.
I want money to be spent on something that could have military applications, but furthers the global community and humanity in our understanding of the cosmos. I do not want that same money spent on Gerald Ford Carriers, M4’s, and F-35’s.
Those things are just a tiny bit more useful to the imperial war machine in waging war then rock samples and atmospheric data.
NASA isn't just "goofy space nerds," though. Their legacy dates back to "Nazi rocketry nerds," and from there it's "progressed" to simply being "genocidal imperialist rocketry/satellite nerds."
The current US rhetoric (which is nothing new- now it's Biden, just a few years ago it was Trump with "Space Force," before that it was the now-defunct "Star Wars" program, etc) and the close collaborations with the MIC are all examples of what US aerospace development seeks to offer the world- death, destruction, and hegemony.
Like it or not- science may not have borders, but the industries that further it absolutely do- and the US (and the west in general) has never hesitated to exploit these issues, and use them to sabotage, threaten, or destroy other nations. NASA is "less bad" than the US simply investing all it has in doomsday weapons or actual military operations, sure, but I don't wish them any luck- rather the opposite- all the same.
NASA is an integral part of the US MIC. It is the moral duty of every leftist to oppose NASA in all of its endeavors.
Unlimited Apollo 1s on the American space program.
The furthering of science is an endeavor that all of humanity should support. Do you think NASA sits around all day dreaming about shooting rockets and that’s all they do?
Would you rather the money be given to NASA? Or the US Navy? I’d rather have space missions then another US carrier.
Calling for astronauts to be burned alive is also disgusting.
Furthering of science is good in the abstract but not if those scientific advancements fall first and foremost into the hands of the most vicious and violent empire of our time. The fact that they actually do make launches is the problem - NASA provides much of the lift capacity for America's military satellite fleet and develops many of the technologies that allow the US to militarize space and the upper atmosphere.
Like yeah, cool, NASA's latest probe showed us what the inside of an asteroid is made up of. Let me just share that fun science fact with the Palestinian orphan whose parents were blown up by a GPS bomb guided by satellites NASA helped launch.
NASA is more then just “shoot rocket”. That’s not what I mean by “furthering science”, and like I mentioned, launching and creating military centered satellites falls to the airforce, not NASA.
NASA are a bunch of nerds sitting around computers analyzing atmospheric data and long range telescopes in the middle of the godforsaken wilderness a hundred miles from the closest person.
And I would rather have more goofy space nerds then US weapons of war.
Further, who cares that the US discovers something first? There is nothing they can discover that would “tip the scales” and be some sort of world changing event that would lead to more US terror. What they find can be utilized by others instead of having duplicate efforts simply wasting time, manpower, and effort. Science should not have borders. Just because some will try to use it for war doesn’t mean that it’s now horrible.
If NASA was able to be completely decoupled from the military industrial complex, you might have a point. But as it stands, whatever they discover, especially if it turns out to be tactically advantageous, will immediately be classified and used only for secret military shit.
Goofy space nerds are no longer incompatible with US weapons of war, we have a space force now.
The Space Force are not Star Wars stormtroopers. They are compsci nerds doing institutionally backed hacking. It’s just the Airforce v2 for propaganda sake. Plus it’s abysmally tiny because you don’t need hundreds of thousands of compsci nerds.
It’s just a different name for a US hacking military outfit. They aren’t doing research into nebulas and space rocks.
If the US government can weaponize vaccination programs, foreign aid and infrastructure loans, I have zero faith that our space military won't be used for doing space nazi shit. Besides, there's no way the data gained from genuinely innocent NASA launches hasn't been collected and used to model preemptive nuclear strikes or some other shit. It doesn't matter how small-intentioned or militarily inconsequential they may be now, anything under the purview of imperial power, even just it's knowledge, will eventually be turned towards Imperial ends.
We've already been weaponizing our military space program by hiding the location of Starlink satellites iirc. Orbital minefield lmao
Technically a Kepler field, which just fucks everyone over.
A wonderful reason why capitalists should be entrusted to chose the most ethical options : )
Yes, that’s why we should urge funding to be spent not on scientists collecting data that could be used for preemptive nuclear strikes, and instead on building more nuclear missiles, submarines, and weapons of war. That is the better path forward.
I want money to be spent on something that could have military applications, but furthers the global community and humanity in our understanding of the cosmos. I do not want that same money spent on Gerald Ford Carriers, M4’s, and F-35’s.
Those things are just a tiny bit more useful to the imperial war machine in waging war then rock samples and atmospheric data.
NASA isn't just "goofy space nerds," though. Their legacy dates back to "Nazi rocketry nerds," and from there it's "progressed" to simply being "genocidal imperialist rocketry/satellite nerds."
The current US rhetoric (which is nothing new- now it's Biden, just a few years ago it was Trump with "Space Force," before that it was the now-defunct "Star Wars" program, etc) and the close collaborations with the MIC are all examples of what US aerospace development seeks to offer the world- death, destruction, and hegemony.
Like it or not- science may not have borders, but the industries that further it absolutely do- and the US (and the west in general) has never hesitated to exploit these issues, and use them to sabotage, threaten, or destroy other nations. NASA is "less bad" than the US simply investing all it has in doomsday weapons or actual military operations, sure, but I don't wish them any luck- rather the opposite- all the same.
NASA blows, they collaborate with weapons manufacturers all the time
https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-lockheed-martin-reveal-x-59-quiet-supersonic-aircraft/