It´s just a hunch for me, but conservatives have already given up on the whole civility thing which I have yet to experience a single liberal abandon. When people talk about their journey towards leftism, it´s either they used to be chuds or they were never sold on capitalism to begin with.
This is just anecdotal and based on my scewed experience. Anyone got something to add or refute?
I've had more luck converting bogans in Australia (chuds?) than labour voters (our libs).
For us, class and being a bogan are quite heavily linked. The cast majority of these people, my own family included (and me at a younger age) bought into the idea that we were being oppressed by Chinese investment / Muslim immigrants / sexual predators from India etc. As far as even thinking that Indiginous Australians were somehow better off because of 'all the government support they get'.
Mention any of these topics at a train station in n Melbourne's suburbs, or a bus stop in Hobart, and you'll get a chorus of agreement. White, lower class people in Australia have been thoroughly tricked.
20 years on from being a fucking wanker and Incan have conversations with these people now. I can acknowledge their struggle and if we talk long enough I can lead them to recognising class, not race, as the thing that divides us. They can independently come to the realisation that this division is on purposez that it only serves those in power. Everyone from that background has been dogged before and the pure hatred when they realise that it was those in power, those with capital, that have been digging us all along and putting us against each other is so great.
It doesn't always work, it often takes a long time. Just planting these seeds grows a tree in these people's minds though. They radicalise themselves from there, they start to see how capitalists play tricks all around them. Far stronger than a labour voters who just thinks we need to change a suit, or a greenie who thinks we just need to play the political game long enough these bogans are more than willing to see the illusion of capitalist freedom for what it is.
I've converted family, I've had long conversations with strangers, I even once had a heart to heart with a bloke who tried to mug me over a durry. They all recognised it.
I've had multiple week conversations with evidence and sources with Reddit tier colleagues and 'friends' who remain staunchly against communism and just keep taking about fucking Nordic countries and it kills me every time.
TL;DR - you can turn a bogan because even if they are wrong as hell about the causes, at least they recognise that they're being fucked by someone. They just need to be pointed in the right direction. A lib? They're too comfortable to change.
P.S. writing this late after a long day on a mobile phone, sorry if it's a ramble.
I feel it. I had soo many endless conversations with a lib friend and he still thinks I shoud get shot for my views (he says it 'jokingly' but I know there is truth to it). Because I´m pretty open about wanting to destroy the corporate systems that he as a master student wants to rise in