I've seen discussions on here about Biden winning this year because he works in the ruling class's interest.

If the CIA really did just push a button at Langley and decide the next president, why not Hilary?

She's a corporate ghoul like the rest of them, loves war, everyone expected her to win, and the election was close enough to be plausible either way. She would have been a more reliable, or at least knowable, asset to the deep state than Trump.

She would have been the same mid president as Trump, but it would have been more of a banality of evil approach. Everyone's material conditions would have gotten worse in the same way but there wouldn't have been the media circus around everything she did.

So why do you think the 'most qualified' person for the job didn't win last time? And what could that say about this year?

  • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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    10 months ago

    That’s not how American deep politics work. It’s not as easy as the CIA stuffing ballots and assassinating people like in the global south. American deep politics really is the hesitant collaboration and conflict between the bourgeois. They are usually more united in foreign policy and prefer to have control of a country first before worrying about factional disagreements, which is why fixing elections is about as “simple” as giving a ton of guns to fascists and committing massacres everywhere.

    From what I’ve observed and read, American/western deep politics tend to favor legal/political institutions over extrajudicial. By that I mean they favor finance engineering, lobbying, and leaking to the media. And when they do utilize the extrajudicial, it’s often in the form of oppo research and intelligence. The GOP may be bolder and come in direct contact with fascist paramilitary groups but usually it’s not directly related to a political campaign, but as an extension of its power. Rarely are there straight up assassinations, disappearances, and tortures directed by the intelligence on US soil unless the target is related to foreign policy.

    • voight [he/him, any]
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      10 months ago

      You ever read CIA as Organized Crime by Doug Valentine? Lil bit dated

        • voight [he/him, any]
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          10 months ago

          Talks abt the CIA's patronage relationship with journalists, leaks happening for inter agency or careerist intra agency power struggles and shit, he wrote it after he felt his writing about the Phoenix Program got bowlderized by others. They're both on libgen. he's like an old lib now like many writers

          • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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            10 months ago

            I’ve read part of Inventing Reality is covers similar topics, although not exclusively about CIA relationships with the media. I’ll check it out

            • voight [he/him, any]
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              10 months ago

              It calls people out with amazing accuracy in a way that is unfortunately even more relevant decades later. People are just aggregating the CIA patronage ppl he refers to into an influencer reality show rock tumbler for brains :3 have fun