/u/RIOP3L
They have a twitter with deleted crypto retweets.
They run this sub which is some gamer sub for LoL.
Some posts in there are suspicious, they allow posts attacking lgbt people
They post quite obviously negatively about fatphobia
They post explicitly transphobic things, they call people "soyboys".
They use the term sigma and beta A LOT.
There's even more financebro shit I can't be bother screening because I'm getting bored of looking at this account.
I do not think this subreddit should be promoted in any way whatsoever, and I really think it should be actively fought against.
Even clerical/administrative work in back-of-house? Even tellers? Even secretaries, mail team, IT? Seriously?
i don't disagree this guy isn't a friend though. just think thats some spurious logic that will omit a lot of the service sector from the working class if taken to its conclusion
Working in the mail room is not "working in finance" working in IT is not "working in finance".
The finance part - IE dealing with the particulars of financial and investment products - is specific.
Do Exxon accountants and lawyers work in the oil industry? They're not doing "oil" so they don't work in the oil industry by your logic right?
Lawyers work in law. Accountants work in accounting.
So you would say a defense lawyer for Exxon Mobile does not work in the oil industry? I'm sorry, but do you know what industries are? They are composed of corporate bodies. Support and ancillary workers still work in the primary industry that is driving revenue for their corporate firm. Anyone who works for Exxon Mobil at any level is employed in the oil industry. Anyone who works for Wells Fargo at any level is employed in the banking industry. Anyone who works for GEICO at any level is employed in the Insurance industry.
That's working in law for the oil sector. It's still working in law. There are certainly degrees of good/bad to it. But characterising it as working in law is how I do it.
Nah that's bollocks mate. The cleaners at Wells Fargo aren't "working in finance". They work in cleaning, that happens to be in/for a financial institution. There is more nuance to this than you are allowing for. You can not tell me that you think cleaners in a bank work in finance.
If those cleaners are employed by Wells Fargo, yes they are support staff for bankers. If they are a cleaning firm that is paid for as a service by Wells Fargo, they are in the janitorial industry. The source of the value is the industry. The janitorial staff at Wells Fargo are supporting staff who make profit from banking, they are in the banking industry.
But you concede they do not work in finance.
It depends where their paycheck comes from. If it comes from value generated via banking they work in the banking industry as janitors. This is how labor is measured by governments and by economists and even by Marx. Trade unions are within singular firms, industrial unions is the union of trade unions within an industry. Your firm determines your industry. The source of the firms profits is the industry. It's scientific and concrete.
Nah we're just going to have to disagree then. The labour of the worker takes priority here. If you don't work with the financial instruments and products themselves you are not in finance. Sure you might be in a supporting role to it. But you're not in it.
ok but you are scientifically incorrect and your definition is arbitrary and will set you at odds with how most economists, including Marx and marxian ones, discuss this. Have fun trying to create an "industrial union" without a coalition of trade unions. Random people cherrypicked from all firms, randomly selected by your arbitrary line drawing instead of just all staying in the firm they are in and the source of their profits - which is concrete and not arbitrary
I don't care. Wasted my time because I'm too polite not to respond forcing me to argue over piss shit and balls when there's something worth having a fighting over there and it's the fuckers that are in the process of hijacking a movement ffs. Of course I'm frustrated with you and derailing this.
touch grass and read marx i beg you
'movement'
lol
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oh nooo the movement of online redditor liberals who don't want to do anything is falling apart, and the splinter groups are filled with other liberals who also don't want to do anything. this is a tragic event that we must bear witness to.
oh no our pissing and shitting and moaning about that is being derailed by some annoying pedant who cares about scientific socialism. Truly a reason to get mad online in the middle of the night.
Log off.
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they said "they work in banking"
yes, clerical banking tasks fall within the banking and financial industries
His job is not simply teller or clerical. His title is "Financial Services Representative" at CIBC. This role pays between $40k and $62k at the company with stocks bonuses, profit sharing, cash bonuses and commissions on top.
His representation of it as a simple woe is me minimum wage entry job where he "helps old people" is complete and total bollocks mate. He is lying. It is spin to calm the subreddit and manipulate a lot of incredibly naive people. He works in finance, dealing with, selling, and providing service on finance and investment products. Yes it's at the lower end of proper financial products, but it is finance proper. In a year or two he will advance and be EVERYTHING you despise.
i'm sure this guy sucks. I have no disagreement and i literally dont give a shit about reddit mods they're all feds as far as i care
I'm just saying the vast majority of the people who work in the "banking sector" and the "financial industry" are actually working class clerical and administrative workers, tellers, call center employees, low level personal bankers making 38k a year, etc.
That's great. Not these ones though. KJU you are simply wrong here and these people need to be fought in every single way. They are not working class and their future is VERY not working class. They will never have the interests of the working class.
"these people" you mean these mods? Cool. That's fine I have no comment and don't disagree with you.
Stop calling people fucking bourgeois if they work in a Wells Fargo call center
"People" is a generous interpretation of my opinion for them but sure.
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No I'm trying not to dehumanise 3 racist, homophobic and transphobic finance fuckheads hijacking this shit. And struggling not to.
Using rhetoric that also smears huge sections of the working class. Get more precise and scientific
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