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They have a twitter with deleted crypto retweets.
They run this sub which is some gamer sub for LoL.
Some posts in there are suspicious, they allow posts attacking lgbt people
They post quite obviously negatively about fatphobia
They post explicitly transphobic things, they call people "soyboys".
They use the term sigma and beta A LOT.
There's even more financebro shit I can't be bother screening because I'm getting bored of looking at this account.
I do not think this subreddit should be promoted in any way whatsoever, and I really think it should be actively fought against.
I don't think it's really the "algorithm". It's just what gets intentionally promoted by capitalist interests. But maybe you're right, it's what gets recommended to people in their feed as well. But the main thing is that a subreddit is big and has lots of content (which is also astroturfed).
I don’t think it’s really the “algorithm”. It’s just what gets intentionally promoted by capitalist interests
:same-picture:
Capital's goal in social media is to hold your attention as long as possible so that it can keep serving you ads. It does this by showing you content you're more likely to engage with. Clickbait, hot takes, etc tend to get more engagement than other content — angry comments, dunks, shares, etc — so it shows you more of that, so you interact with more, so it shows you more. If you're a content creator and you want to get clout or a cut of ad revenue or whatever, you post more outrage porn to do it.
Neoliberal capitalism is all about the diffusion of responsibility: it's the user's fault for engaging with shitty takes, The Algorithm is neutral and objective and definitely out of out control, and so on
Well put. This is one of the reasons why I no longer use social media like twitter/tumblr/facebook, and instead stick to places like Hexbear or small forums about specific topics.
Yeah I stay away from Twitter/Facebook and especially YouTube unless I'm looking for something specific.
Weirdly, I think tumblr is the one social media that doesn't fall into this trap as much since it's still got a chronological timeline and is utterly unmonitizable (see: yahoo buying it for a billion dollars and selling it for like 3 million dollars a few years later) but also I don't really know how to use tumblr so I could be way off-base there.
They still have ads and "recommended" pages, though it isn't as bad as the others because of being relatively unmonitizable. However, in an attempt to make it more marketable, they purged a shitton of LGBTQ+ resource blogs for the reason of it being "not family friendly", and despite claiming to get rid of all NFSW content, the pornbots are worse than ever, according to friends who still use the site.
Yeah it's definitely been going to shit, especially since the porn ban (which was in response to getting removed from the iOS App Store iirc, which is a whole other can of worms.)
Anything driven by ad revenue is a doomed project for sure, because the advertisers ultimately hold the power. But anything that collects payments from users is beholden to their payment processors, which frequently refuse to serve porn and sex work platforms and could expand to other "objectionable" content. The other option is cryptocurrency, which is an awful volatile currency that requires technical know-how and burning down the rainforest to use.
I hate capitalism
twitter is also mostly chronological, although they've been pushing the "home" feed still (they did back off a bit on that though).
I think it's worth pointing out that ads aren't necessarilly the goal, harvesting and bundling user data is as desirable an outcome as ad-revenue. I think the most accurate way to put it is Capital's goal is to draw value out of user interactions; whether that's seeing an ad or collecting a data-set about user preferences etc.
No, that is not a lack of idealism, you don't have to be idealistic to do dialectical material analysis, in fact it hinders that
I've always wondered what that was about. Ideals are good. You should have some. How do you even plot a course through life without having some ideals that you want to realize?
The point of materialism (in the Marxist sense) isn't that having ideals is bad or ideology is unimportant. It's that ideology is subordinate to and driven by material conditions, and that historical changes--including shifts in dominant ideology--are the result of changes in material reality, not the other way around.
Ideals are good, being idealistic is not, I think that's the way to put it. Its the difference between being optimistic while preparing for the worst, and blindly assuming everything will work out
hahah woah there karl, I don't know about losing those chains! that's wayyyyy too much. I think having them padded is a fair ask though :<)
i mean taking the anarchist critique of work implied by the label "antiwork" and trying to make it a labor-centered "movement" was already shaky ground
The American right do not understand that the left right spectrum is economic. They see the spectrum as cultural. Thus brain worms.
All I am asking is for just one example of a right-wing labor movement.
The first few months of the NSDAP (which was obviously never sincerely pro-labor anyway).
Has :le-pol-face: fully abandoned "alpha" as an ideal? Is "sigma" the new "alpha?"
I've avoided figuring this out; sigma rejects the alpha-beta-etc dynamic, right? So it's just a normal non PUA person?
Are they trying to build a door out of their own system within their system?
The lifestyle gurus and pick-up artists who push the whole alpha/beta thing started realising their marks would never see themselves as eventually becoming 'alphas' and came up with 'sigmas' who are just antisocial introverted personalities, but cool 😎 . It's easier to get a misguided incel to buy into a $100 mentorship course if you provide them an easier path that doesn't involve them having to become sociable.
I don’t really have any interest in being involved, but I would put forward r/overworked as the name of a contending splinter sub.
If anyone does have the energy for it, it doesn’t seem to be taken. Just to make sure it doesn’t fall into the hands of some weirdos who aren’t commies
So apparently market research analysts "take call from old people who don't know how credit cards work"?
I can't be sure when you censor the first name, but I'm pretty sure you've got the wrong guy: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8Qbmagu3Or4J:https://www.facebook.com/razer/photos/call-the-banners-winter-is-here/10156464843647576/
Search for "riopel" and you'll see the other mod mentioned. Riopel also loves Razer products and they both love Game of Thrones.
Futher confirmation can be found by searching their name and "CIBC." If these two are truly genuine, I doubt they realize what the implications are for them personally as visible figures. Even more precarious is their status as bank employees. Capital will find a way to grind their bones into dust.
It seems they're at least demsocs, though I admit I'm not well-acquainted with modern Québécois politics: https://mouvement.quebecsolidaire.net/equipes/151/union-progressiste
Yeah it's fucking nauseating this guy got to just scoop up the subreddit and water it down. workersstrikeback seems to be an explicitly anti-capitalist sub--any thoughts on trying to redirect people there?
i already went and subbed my reddit accnt there. cooler sub name at the very least and they have my red socialist tag
Same, I'm happy WSB (lol coincidence?) Is explicitly leftist and anti sectarian I'm already bracing for posts on workreform about "not making things political" :cringe:
I haven't seen anybody post this thread yet, but the mod in question created a post admitting that they work at a bank, but also do food delivery in order to afford rent. What's y'all's opinion?
old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdp8gn/yeah_i_work_in_a_bank_taking_calls_assisting/
Even if they had the very lowest of the lowest jobs the finance industry would disqualify them. But they own capital which makes them an exploiter of workers, literally the people being fought against. And they're right wing racist homophobic transphobic shits to boot.
It will turn into a shit show one way or another because liberals and socdems have realised this sub is in their interests to promote to hijack and dull the movement. They will gaslight in any way they can to support it.
Even if they had the very lowest of the lowest jobs the finance industry would disqualify them
Even clerical/administrative work in back-of-house? Even tellers? Even secretaries, mail team, IT? Seriously?
i don't disagree this guy isn't a friend though. just think thats some spurious logic that will omit a lot of the service sector from the working class if taken to its conclusion
Working in the mail room is not "working in finance" working in IT is not "working in finance".
The finance part - IE dealing with the particulars of financial and investment products - is specific.
Do Exxon accountants and lawyers work in the oil industry? They're not doing "oil" so they don't work in the oil industry by your logic right?
So you would say a defense lawyer for Exxon Mobile does not work in the oil industry? I'm sorry, but do you know what industries are? They are composed of corporate bodies. Support and ancillary workers still work in the primary industry that is driving revenue for their corporate firm. Anyone who works for Exxon Mobil at any level is employed in the oil industry. Anyone who works for Wells Fargo at any level is employed in the banking industry. Anyone who works for GEICO at any level is employed in the Insurance industry.
That's working in law for the oil sector. It's still working in law. There are certainly degrees of good/bad to it. But characterising it as working in law is how I do it.
Anyone who works for Wells Fargo at any level is employed in the banking industry.
Nah that's bollocks mate. The cleaners at Wells Fargo aren't "working in finance". They work in cleaning, that happens to be in/for a financial institution. There is more nuance to this than you are allowing for. You can not tell me that you think cleaners in a bank work in finance.
If those cleaners are employed by Wells Fargo, yes they are support staff for bankers. If they are a cleaning firm that is paid for as a service by Wells Fargo, they are in the janitorial industry. The source of the value is the industry. The janitorial staff at Wells Fargo are supporting staff who make profit from banking, they are in the banking industry.
It depends where their paycheck comes from. If it comes from value generated via banking they work in the banking industry as janitors. This is how labor is measured by governments and by economists and even by Marx. Trade unions are within singular firms, industrial unions is the union of trade unions within an industry. Your firm determines your industry. The source of the firms profits is the industry. It's scientific and concrete.
Nah we're just going to have to disagree then. The labour of the worker takes priority here. If you don't work with the financial instruments and products themselves you are not in finance. Sure you might be in a supporting role to it. But you're not in it.
ok but you are scientifically incorrect and your definition is arbitrary and will set you at odds with how most economists, including Marx and marxian ones, discuss this. Have fun trying to create an "industrial union" without a coalition of trade unions. Random people cherrypicked from all firms, randomly selected by your arbitrary line drawing instead of just all staying in the firm they are in and the source of their profits - which is concrete and not arbitrary
I don't care. Wasted my time because I'm too polite not to respond forcing me to argue over piss shit and balls when there's something worth having a fighting over there and it's the fuckers that are in the process of hijacking a movement ffs. Of course I'm frustrated with you and derailing this.
oh nooo the movement of online redditor liberals who don't want to do anything is falling apart, and the splinter groups are filled with other liberals who also don't want to do anything. this is a tragic event that we must bear witness to.
oh no our pissing and shitting and moaning about that is being derailed by some annoying pedant who cares about scientific socialism. Truly a reason to get mad online in the middle of the night.
Log off.
they said "they work in banking"
yes, clerical banking tasks fall within the banking and financial industries
His job is not simply teller or clerical. His title is "Financial Services Representative" at CIBC. This role pays between $40k and $62k at the company with stocks bonuses, profit sharing, cash bonuses and commissions on top.
His representation of it as a simple woe is me minimum wage entry job where he "helps old people" is complete and total bollocks mate. He is lying. It is spin to calm the subreddit and manipulate a lot of incredibly naive people. He works in finance, dealing with, selling, and providing service on finance and investment products. Yes it's at the lower end of proper financial products, but it is finance proper. In a year or two he will advance and be EVERYTHING you despise.
i'm sure this guy sucks. I have no disagreement and i literally dont give a shit about reddit mods they're all feds as far as i care
I'm just saying the vast majority of the people who work in the "banking sector" and the "financial industry" are actually working class clerical and administrative workers, tellers, call center employees, low level personal bankers making 38k a year, etc.
That's great. Not these ones though. KJU you are simply wrong here and these people need to be fought in every single way. They are not working class and their future is VERY not working class. They will never have the interests of the working class.
"these people" you mean these mods? Cool. That's fine I have no comment and don't disagree with you.
Stop calling people fucking bourgeois if they work in a Wells Fargo call center
No I'm trying not to dehumanise 3 racist, homophobic and transphobic finance fuckheads hijacking this shit. And struggling not to.
Using rhetoric that also smears huge sections of the working class. Get more precise and scientific
Cool thanks for that, I managed to dig up the original comment and it's just a blatant and open admission of it . Blue is self deleted. Red is removed by moderators.
Joey Racanelli's LinkedIn page was just nuked in REAL TIME seconds ago. We got this picture of it before he nuked it though.
Who uses their real fucking name for their reddit account? lmao
Honestly I don't know what people like that get from this type of shit, maybe they just do it to enjoy manipulating a bunch of working folk (i.e. they like the power trip of screwing over workers). Twenty bucks this mod and possibly others try and start some podcast shit from this with merchandising and lifestyle shit
They keep deleting the thread when asking for transparency, lol. It is going to implode for second time in a day?
It's A LOT of people, a fuck ton who are semi-radicalized at this point and want a place to discuss things and learn. Lib subs won't be able to handle that shit, and smaller communities are just going to get devoured lol
I wouldn't be surprised if they tear through a few communities before diluting enough to not.
