Pass me the cyanide gas because this seems like a highly successful op.

The 30 year old dog walker did an interview on Fox that was pretty cringe but all in all not THAT bad imo but is set off a firestorm and 200k people instantly joined /r/workreform

Here's where it gets fun. The 3 mods of /r/workreform all work at the same bank. One is A CTO and the others claim to be low level employees. Link

The new sub seems like a bunch of libshits. "It’s work reforms not anti capitalism"

"This isn't necessarily an anti-capitalism sub. We may share many of the same ideals and goals, but "

"If you want anticaptialism, go to /r/LateStageCapitalism"

tl;dr a 30 yo dog walker was too much for the libs to handle 😅

  • LeninsRage [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    People are alienated from work because the capitalist time and labor regimen is egregiously dehumanizing and saps workers of all autonomy and meaning in their lives.

    But the solution to that isn't "I want to sit around and mindlessly pursue pleasure on my computer all day" which is a very real tendency within the incoherent bloc that made up that subreddit. A socialist society means transforming labor relations - control over work schedules, work processes, distributions of goods, services, and wages, democratization and mass participation in all areas of political and economic life. But that also means work. A lot of it. Everyone doing their part.

    We rightfully express contempt for terminally-online channer/Yang NEET types who spend all their time online and support UBI solely for the reason that they think it can subsidize their basement-dweller lifestyle. And to be blunt, if you're on the left and display similar sentiments, you're never going to get any respect from working people, just contempt.

        • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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          3 years ago

          So this is whats happening. Since im pissed at seeing neoliberal ideology here, i get angry and become a polemic asshole.

          Therefore, pedants like yourself can happily focus on my appaling rude language, on the surface level, because you desperately want to own the person defending slimy NEETs yet cant find anything wrong with my arguments.

                • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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                  3 years ago

                  Strawman, read what I wrote. Of course being a NEET isnt sustainable or revolutionary, when did I even imply that?

                  My point is that there is fucking disdain for NEETs as people because theyre "leeches to society" and whatnot, but painted Red. This is evidenced in part by the guy stating the sentiment on antiwork was "NEET nonsense", Its pure ideology.

                    • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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                      3 years ago

                      Someone said that “it’s okay that I don’t want to work, it doesn’t make me less human!” devoid of a greater critique or program will be looked upon with derision and it made u mad

                      Yes in a way thats 1/4 of my entire argument. Im mad here because theyre using "society" as a shield to mask their own contempt for NEETs. People will look upon that sentiment with derison, no doubt, but who these people are is up for question. I hypothesize that the majority of such people are small business owners and PMC.

                      Is it because you see a better world, one where work isn’t humiliating debasement and life isn’t directly tied to it, as impossible to reach?

                      Yes and no. Yes because of capitalist realism, we are doomed etc. No because I see this whole worship of work as silly, we should be moving to automate everything away such that every humam being can live a happy life without toil (possible to be happy outside of work btw). I have a problem with the sanctification of work itself.

                        • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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                          3 years ago

                          it’s not a problem because of the treatment of such people, but because decreased production without decreased consumption leads to lower profits.

                          The hikkikomori phenomenon in Japan got large enough to cause a measurable decline in profit? Interesting. But yeah people can objectively see that NEETs have no "value" in the eyes of the market. Question is whether their specific material conditions predispose them for compassion or not.

                          I was also referring more to this specific case of the user being outright disdainful towards NEETs by evoking moralisms found deep in the purest ideology.

                          don’t get starry eyed about automation. under capitalism it will only serve to enrich the people who own the automatons. once divorced from your productive value the ruling class wont hesitate to export you to a cocoa field or into the ground

                          Exactly, automation sucks under a system that doesnt value human life. Under socialism it will be based tho, all of humanity will be free of toil.

                            • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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                              3 years ago

                              but expecting the working classes under capitalism to have compassion for neets is pretty absurd.

                              I don't, I just expect people here not to spout moralistic neoliberal ideology about NEETs. I really don't know what the working class thinks of NEETs as an amalgam.

                              it’s easy to make a negative moral judgement of neets within a socialist framework, even a marxist one (lumpen). even your garden variety maoists and third worldists would say neets need to be reformed.

                              Yeah I remember arguing with some maoist on here about the same subject, theres a fine line between criticizing NEETs from a positive, humanist standpoint and being a "leeches on society" neoliberal eugenecist and to me the person who posted the original comment crossed it.

                              the derision comes not from capitalist moral brainworms but from the experience of reaching out saying “yes comrade! join us and lets create that world!” and having your hand slapped away over and over again.

                              :doomjak:

                              whats important to remember when someone get pissed that neets don’t want a revolution

                              So they were pissed because NEETs dont want a revolution? Wait I thought they were pissed because of "THY SIN IS SLOTH" brainworms since NEETs dont want to work and are thus leeches on society with the sinful tendencies.

                                • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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                                  3 years ago

                                  i know sometimes it’s an organizational tool, but you don’t need to split up quotes. this isn’t a debate, neither of us will win or lose. we’re just talking.

                                  Its an organisational tool because I want to respond to what you say in full.

                                  My problem with the post wasn't that the person was pissed, they probably weren't, my problem was that I interpreted what they said as disdain for NEETs and the late ideology of r/antiwork, therefore I was angry with them. However it seems that maybe they were expressing frustration with how difficult it was to organize and ally with r/antiwork for "revolutionary action".

      • _Flippy_ [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Listen you stupid piece of shit

        Cringe + L + Ratio

        • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
          ·
          3 years ago

          Cope, Im taking home a W. here, nobody can actually criticise the substance.

          • _Flippy_ [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Nah it's more that no one wants to read all that shit and get into it with a debatelord who speaks like a le epic redditor

            • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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              3 years ago

              Lmao you think im unpleasant and overly verbose, fair, but you still have nothing else of substance to say because the real reason youre not reading shit is because youre scared of an L. nothing more.

              • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                I am assuming you see unemployment as a form of active resistance in the face of capitalist realism?

                • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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                  3 years ago

                  No I just dont like it when people go after NEETs because its stupid moralism.

                  • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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                    3 years ago

                    Fair enough... My biggest problem with r/antiwork is that I would always see some landlord and crypto stuff being advocated. Passive income streams substituting for work. Not a huge contingent, but enough to where the mods should have been shutting it down if they had any principles (maybe they did, it's been a month since I was on there).

                    Idk, I see work like excersize... It sucks and can be filled with shame and self-hatred, but I hope it leads to a marathon someday.

                    • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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                      3 years ago

                      Yeah nah landlord and crypto posting is total cringe, a complete lack of ideological awareness and yes the mods were too lib to be on top of things. I like the general message tho, a million people angry as hell about the status quo and its ideology. Either way whats done is done.

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        There's nothing neoliberal about wanting westerners to take responsibility for their lifestyle and stop taking advantage of everyone in the global south to make everything for them. What do you think is going to happen when the global south is going to stop making your treats for you? If the west wants anything resembling a first world lifestyle, they're going to have to start manufacturing their own stuff. There will be a lot of work to build a fair and equitable global society in any revolution worth its salt. This isn't about NEETS or anything ( I don't even know what that term means), it's about westerners taking responsibility for their actions.

        • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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          3 years ago

          There’s nothing neoliberal about wanting westerners to take responsibility for their lifestyle....

          :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh:

          I agree westoids shouldnt exploit everyone else, for the record.

        • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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          3 years ago

          This isn’t about NEETS or anything ( I don’t even know what that term means),

          No investigation, no right to speak. :mao-wtf: