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  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    3 years ago

    you can’t deny that more people will become unemployed as more businesses go bankrupt

    Demand for stuff will persist. We already did a huge business consolidation over the 90s/00s. Unemployment didn't fall, people just started working for larger businesses. Hell, the COVID crash failed to produce any long term unemployment. It just accelerated retirements, further contributing to the labor shortage of today.

    The real pinch will happen in the real estate market, as the threat of bankruptcy drives down rents.

    • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      the COVID crash failed to produce any long term unemployment.

      Because of low interest rates. Unemployment will go op if the fed raises interests.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        Interest rates were already low when COVID hit and we still had a short term spike.

        But the spike created a long term worker deficit. It wasn't just the interest rates. There was a real surge in labor demand, particularly in the tech sector.

        A rise in rates will force a pinch in other sectors. There's no more room to cut staff without giving up significant profits.

        • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          There’s no more room to cut staff without giving up significant profits.

          And what's your evidence for that claim?

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            3 years ago

            Personal experience, anecdote, the rising price of labor, and the success of unionization efforts and other labor actions.

            • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              the rising price of labor, and the success of unionization efforts and other labor actions

              Both of these things can be explained by low unemployment as a result of low interest rates: lower unemployment increases the bargening position of workers, resulting in better pay and a higher succes-rate of collective action.

              • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                3 years ago

                Both of these things can be explained by low unemployment as a result of low interest rates

                We had low interests rates as far back as 2008. We're only just now seeing labor actions 14 years later.

                lower unemployment increases the bargening position of workers

                The low unemployment isn't just due to lending. There's a serious shortage of physical bodies.

                • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  We had low interests rates as far back as 2008.

                  But the fed and the ECB have only expanded their monetary stimules since then. You can see on their balance which I linked, that they've kept on buying bonds since then, which decreases real interest rates for companies, much more than what's possible trought just lowering the federal funds rate or EONIA (which is what's usually meant when people are refering to low interest rates).