the newest mod of 28 days (and 21 years old) did like five other interviews with major outlets that have yet to be released. seems like the person has never been employed.
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Who's /u/Kimezukae ? Why did he do interviews?
Hello, I'm a 21 years old male, long-term unemployed and an Anarchist. I've been surfing this Subreddit since 2020 and it helped me in my journey when I started to began to be unemployed. When I began to read this Subreddit I was a leftist-liberal, namely a social->democrat. I've been reading some of the recommended literature from the library since then, for example Bob Black's "Abolition of Work" and have been radicalized to an Anarchist.
and have been radicalized to an Anarchist.
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the best reply was quoting "long term unemployed" telling him at 21 he barely qualifies for long term wiping his own ass
Ahh it's that "post left" anarchist. So they're still a liberal.
21 years old and "long term unemployed" just means this person has never had a job, how the hell can you be antiwork with no real world experience of what that is like. How can you claim to represent workers. This is a sick joke, priveleged westerners that have never worked a day in their lives trying to represent the working class.
Also they mentioned that the other mod "went to shower" before going on Fox News. Like why is that worth mentioning? Do they not normally shower? If they're to depressed to shower, they have no business being on Fox News, that's a recipe for disaster, Fox News taking advantage of mentally ill people is one of their standard tactics.
Pretty much. At least the feds aren't sending these liberals to do adventurism yet.
It mainly means that person had a family which didn't have the financial resources for education etc imho.
it would be the absolute cherry on top if this "post leftist" 21yr old, 1 yr old anarchist, that has never worked a day in his life turned out be trust fund kid. All the bad stereotypes about reddit mods and terminally online anarchists wrapped up in one.
I looked further and they're one of those "schools and teachers are bad" post leftists.
Literally a walking stereotype
I just googled that and it's some fool that thinks agriculture is oppression.
AAAAAAAAA wtf is up with people in the west!
To say that the left in the west is removedd by the fact of heavy state oppression is an understatement. They murdered everyone with a decent and working message.
Too bad no one claims they represent anyone, they are moderating a sub because you know subs have to be moderated.
You've hit the nail on the head, media is trying to act as they are representatives, which they - as anarchists do - categorically reject. It sure does look to me that the media is painting a false narrative to stir shit in the community and people are lapping it up uncritically.
You are not guilty of a con job if you are the one being conned.
I'm defending them because they already owned up to it, because the whole debacle isn't worth this much and because if you looked at the sub it's very clear that the wholr drama is generated from outside by people who never posted on the sub but clearly aren't happy with anything but the current mods chased away and replaced by... Well i am willing to bet my ass that whomever they'd be replaed with wouldn't even bother to pay lip service to anarchist ideas, but i'd be surprised if they were even left leaning. Oh and another factor is that i think up until now they did a spectacular job modding the community, including the handling of this situation (okay, i wouldn't have removed the og mod, but whatever.
(btw i still think they fucked up by going to the interview, i just don't think it is worth half this much attention. If they refuse to go, that would've been held against them by Fox News as well and i am willing to bet my ass again that the same people would've called for the resignation of the mods again, because they failed to reach over the aisle or some similar bullshit.
Well what i ultimately don't get is, all the mods that did interviews went out of their way to assert that they are there to represent themselves and not the sub. From here on for me the idea that they represent the sub is forced, and as the last few days showed there is a great corporate interest in showing off the sub as a whole as do nothing losers, so of course they will jump on the autistic non-binary dogwalker to say to the members of the sub "look, this is who you are". And it worked. Now you have a r/conntrapoints mod as a top mod who will definitely steer the sub away from radlibbery.
Okay i feel like we're running in circles so i'mma disengage here.
Makes sense, the mod team is filled with naive idealists and a suspected fed.
What this whole thread tells me is basically what I've suspected from the outset. The mods of /r/antiwork aren't organizers, they are never going to be organizers, and in fact they can barely be described as hobbyists. The community is right to constantly refrain "the mods are not the movement", but the impulse from them to move to another subreddit is just repeating the same mistake over again - but that's a mistake they will inevitably make, because the subscribers to the subreddit aren't actually members of any kind of movement, they're fucking half-cocked hobbyists too!
hilarious, maybe one day americans will actually realize the importance of party politics and stop just posting online?
it's reddit, they know how important party politics are, of course
:liberalism: :vote:
Complete sick fucking joke. Bunch of priveleged westerners that have no idea how anything works.
:ursus-hexagonia: :sus: :agony-deep: :sadness-abysmal:
https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/Ou7ULz3wcE.jpg?format=webp I'm going to post this in his thread. What a vile little child and fuck the mods that gave him leadership.
according to the definition he linked, seems like a convoluted way to spell "liberalism" (not even a joke)
i think it's safe to say the vocal mods (recently, I mean, there's like twenty of the fuckers so there might be some real heads in there) are all just liberals playing at anarchism
what internet-fuelled hyperreality does to a mf. material reality is out of sight.
2 months old account, denounces leftism on a leftist leaning sub and gives secret interviews on the behalf of people who don't even know him and did not agree to him representing them. No way this guy ain't a plant.
This is the most embarrassing day in anglo online left history, a record that will be broken by every subsequent day in anglo online left's history.
Like literally what the fuck is this? Yeah as an outsider i have joked and dunk on anglo brained radlibs that give zero shit about dicipline, organization and theory and on movements or groups that fall victims to that(mostly because things like these are posted or highlighted by users here or in the old sub) but what the fuck is this ?
You cant parody this even if you tried
discipline, organization and theory
um, that's totalitarianism you tankie, real leftists just kind of run around aimlessly
Priveleged westerners with no idea how the fuck anything works
She said at the same time she had an interview at 9:48 p.m and as far as /u/Kimezukae can remember, one hour prior Abolishwork wanted to prepare for the interview, such as taking a shower.
preparing for my live television interview representing a forum with over a million users by, checking notes, taking a quick shower beforehand
"Hey it's great to kill forklift operators and sacrifice your firstborn to the military because mutual agreement"
"Yeah I like dogs"
did like five other interviews with major outlets that have yet to be released
oh shit, oh fuck
This is doomed they're some "post left" picking an ideology out a hat person. With little actual life experience. Soo fucked.
ffs, he's been a leftist for 1 year, and he's doing interviews with the MSM.
Read one work of theory about abolishing work and think that they can take on the entire MSM lmaooo
Cursed thought: It would be funny if the word "tankie" was used in one of these interviews
If he's desperate for money I can see why. Maybe he's getting paid.
The news outlets taking advantage of someone who is barely an adult should be ashamed of themselves too. No one knows what they're doing at 21.
Also can libs stop calling themselves anarchists pls
If you read the linked post over at r/antiwork (which is a fucking chore) the 21 year old (speaking in the third person to pretend to not just be a kid) claims that as soon as they got modded they actively started reaching out to try to get interviewed
imo these people are clout-chasing clowns who thought they could get some notoriety or maybe a cushy tv job where they get called every few weeks to tell normies what the workers think
clout-chasing clowns
This always happens when a sub suddenly gets too large, especially this quickly. Just to control the traffic you have to essentially hire full-time "professional" mods who quickly acquire overinflated egos (if they didn't have one already).
That sounds like what most of the young guys/gals I know want to do. Can't say I blame them.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
oh my god this is fucking priceless
This person is also the "post left" asshole. So this person that picked their ideology out of a random draw and has little life experience has now been interviewed multiple times to represent the antiwork subreddit.
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They were fucked when they took out MLs, historical vanguard for a reason baby. Instead, they'd rather make the same mistakes of the 1920s labor movement 100 years later, we'll only move backwards until they fuckin read and do their mutual aid projects with careful thought and goals, rather than simple terminal online inaction or infinite projects with no vision.
They were fucked when they got sectarian. Dividing the left is fucking stupid, especially in the imperial core. It's baby-brained duebro behavior.
the only reason it isn't happening here is that the mods prune it heavily, replies here had some sectarian takes until removal
Yeah, that's what I mean. You need to have mods that aren't sectarian because there is a certain kind of person that thinks gatekeeping leftism is praxis even though it's actually only a sign the person is a loser lol
unfortunately every major left leaning subreddit has aggressively sectarian mods that seem motivated by rage & spite
Well yeah, they're all 21 year old shut-ins or who have never read a book.
Left Anticommunism is still anticommunism, and thats real fucking bad.
I don't mind a vanguard party, just without the censorship, elitism, and nepotism.
Censorship is good actually.
Any competent party never would have let this person go on Fox News. Message discipline exists for a reason, and this whole event shows why you only let trained and knowledgeable experts who are accountable to the people through democratic centralism handle sensitive and important tasks like this. One person's ego just did irreparable damage to the interests of that group's 1.6 million members.
External censorship is good. You want to have a unified front. Internally, you discuss and talk through stuff, reach a consensus, and then everyone states that externally.
A group censoring who can speak for them is democratic because it prevents people from acting unilaterally and shit.
Agree with ya on elitism and nepotism.
Yah know I didn’t have a lot of hope for a big Reddit community but I don’t generally have a lot of hope to begin with so all and all this shit has me feelin kinda bleak
The media spectacle is going to become a way of Other-ing anyone who says they don't want to work anymore.
But the material conditions will continue to deteriorate. Workers will continue to run scarce. We're militarizing the border in a country with negative population growth and a large retirement population.
All the PsyOps in the world won't change that.
But raising interest rates will. I foresee a bunch of businesses going out and a massive influx of unemployed workers and former business owners, which sadly, is one of those things that leads to more militant facism.
Raising the interest rate won't contract the demand for real labor. It will simply constrict the supply of treats, as smaller firms tumble into bankruptcy.
It'll also spike domestic debt financing, which will trigger higher deficits and drive up the import/export deficit. Absolutely poisonous for smaller and more rural communities.
I don't doubt we'll see more militant fascism. But the places we'll see it - the rural northwest and the deindustrialized Midwest - are already firmly in the grip of concervative politics. These fascists will become a destabilizing influence on corporate control of smaller territories. It'll be a thousand little Jan 6ths.
I suppose it depends on how lenient the bankruptcy terms are on smaller firms.
:biden-harbinger: 2005 Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act
Raising the interest rate won’t contract the demand for real labor. It will simply constrict the supply of treats, as smaller firms tumble into bankruptcy.
So those bankrupt firms won't be employing anyone anymore, which will decrease the demand for labor and make unemployment go up.
Smaller firms can get replaced with larger ones. People can change what and how they consume. We saw this shift with Walmarts - one big box would replace an entire downtown's worth of independent retailers. But unemployment didn't rise with the advent of Walmart. You just saw more indie owners become assistant managers and department supervisors, while the retail workers changed hats.
Higher interest rates put firms like Walmart in a bind, because it does nothing to change the man-hours they need to maintain operations. They either give up territory to a rival firm willing to pay higher wage rates or they find somewhere else to cut.
I suspect real estate prices will be what really take a hit in the event of another Volcker shock.
People can change what and how they consume.
Not if they're fired and their disposable income shrinks. Unemployment is pretty low right now, it's going to rise when interests rates go up. That's the intent: they want to increase the reserve army of labor, so people are content with more miserable working conditions, and large companies can increase their exploitation-rate.
Unemployment is pretty low right now, it’s going to rise when interests rates go up.
I don't think there's enough slack in the market to allow for it. The pinch is going to have to happen in real estate or admin pay, unless you can run a business with zero employees. We might try and pivot to serfdom by way of non-compete contacts. But we don't have enough warm bodies to tolerate layoffs.
At a certain point, the Labor Theory of Value raises its ugly head.
I don’t think there’s enough slack in the market to allow for it (...) But we don’t have enough warm bodies to tolerate layoffs.
I don't really understand what you're trying to say, but but you can't deny that more people will become unemployed as more businesses go bankrupt, which undoubtedly is going to happen when interest rates go up. In 2021 there was a historically low number of bankrupcies , because the low interest rates kept zombie-companies going. When interest goes up, those companies lose their only lifeline. Other companies won't be willing to hire all the newly unemployed workers and thus a bigger reserve army of labor will "discipline" workers in to accepting worse employement-conditions.
you can’t deny that more people will become unemployed as more businesses go bankrupt
Demand for stuff will persist. We already did a huge business consolidation over the 90s/00s. Unemployment didn't fall, people just started working for larger businesses. Hell, the COVID crash failed to produce any long term unemployment. It just accelerated retirements, further contributing to the labor shortage of today.
The real pinch will happen in the real estate market, as the threat of bankruptcy drives down rents.
the COVID crash failed to produce any long term unemployment.
Because of low interest rates. Unemployment will go op if the fed raises interests.
Interest rates were already low when COVID hit and we still had a short term spike.
But the spike created a long term worker deficit. It wasn't just the interest rates. There was a real surge in labor demand, particularly in the tech sector.
A rise in rates will force a pinch in other sectors. There's no more room to cut staff without giving up significant profits.
There’s no more room to cut staff without giving up significant profits.
And what's your evidence for that claim?
Personal experience, anecdote, the rising price of labor, and the success of unionization efforts and other labor actions.
the rising price of labor, and the success of unionization efforts and other labor actions
Both of these things can be explained by low unemployment as a result of low interest rates: lower unemployment increases the bargening position of workers, resulting in better pay and a higher succes-rate of collective action.
Both of these things can be explained by low unemployment as a result of low interest rates
We had low interests rates as far back as 2008. We're only just now seeing labor actions 14 years later.
lower unemployment increases the bargening position of workers
The low unemployment isn't just due to lending. There's a serious shortage of physical bodies.
We had low interests rates as far back as 2008.
But the fed and the ECB have only expanded their monetary stimules since then. You can see on their balance which I linked, that they've kept on buying bonds since then, which decreases real interest rates for companies, much more than what's possible trought just lowering the federal funds rate or EONIA (which is what's usually meant when people are refering to low interest rates).
no way nerds who spend too much time on the internet can be that out of touch
they can make Chris Hedges look like the Fonz just by sitting next to him in a room
One of the mods on antiwork is a well known suspected fed. You can't make this shit up.
