I get the feeling my dad regrets having immigrated here. I think that is sometimes foolish but seeing how his life is I kinda see why but at the same time it's really :thinking-about-it:
I feel like a lot of older LatAm immigrants become really disillusioned, like behind the bubbly personalities we tend to have there is a lot of resentment among some of the older coworkers I've had who immigrated from Mexico. The Central Americans tend to be less bitter (probably because their countries are even poorer, I think?) but a lot of older Mexican people seem pretty wistful. In the USA we as a group even after the civil rights movement have some of the worst outcomes across the board in all metrics.
The USA wasn't always this fucking awful though, a lot of older people have told me it was super nice until like Reagan, and my dad got here during Reagan and he said "it was a lot better and cheaper" and it seems like only in the last twenty years have things gone conmpletely down the toilet. Even in my life I've seen pretty measured decline, the last five years have been fucking insane in terms of how much overall quality of life has gone down, but I think that is because the symobiosis of tech/landlords is a malignant influence in my specific area.
I'm gonna say we are very prone to nostalgia (pulling out my 100% Hecho en México card) because we cherish our homes, our barrios, and although it's bruised and broken: we love México. So, for that, I'm sorry for being wistful at times lmao.
And neoliberalism hasn't fully arrived over there: you know this, but Latam (global south, in general) has been really resistant to it: the lack of infrastructure that capitalism needs to expand has been like it's unintentional defense, and because they don't wanna spend money lmao (fucking cheapskates) they don't 'develop' unless 'really' 'necessary', so it hasn't dissolved society down to bare individuals yet <- pure speculation.
Yeah, my parents are that way too. They both, they're divorced, go back to their respective small towns back in Mexico every year. It was a lot better and cheaper, because of less inflation (you know this already)... but like if you lived most of your life outside the US, and, once inside it, you are presented the abundance of things you've never even seen before; it was like a high, for them. That's what I think.
Living inside the US isn't fucking awful *, it's political culture has become increasingly inane and annoying... social life is very isolated.
I can't tell you how it's changed the last two years, sorry, that's when I entered the scene.
huge addition, myopic pov 'i survived'. I forgot about literally every oppressed minority out there.
Try being a muslim from Pakistan, having FBI come to your home after 9/11 to search your house, after the parklend shooting FBI comes over your house to talk to you (American shooter), being called a terrorist throughout your middle/high school experience, and now as a DACA recipient you are stuck in fucking limbo as time passes by. Real good fuck time
No fam that wasn't i was trying to say. I really hate it here as my life is frozen. I'm pissed, depressed, sad, lonely all at the same time and i just wornder what i did to deserve any of this. No ill will towards you.
Living inside the US isn’t fucking awful, it’s political culture has become increasingly inane and annoying… social life is very isolated.
The material wealth earned here is much more than anything my dad could’ve gotten back home in his rancho. But back there, there’s actual community. You go down the street and see people and you say hi to them and have a convo. There’s walkable town centers where sometimes bailes take place. (Granted small towns are insular asf but still)
Here in the US you go to work, put in your 8/10/12+ hours and you go back home. You know your neighbors less than even your coworkers. There’s no social binder to bring people together. There’s even less material wealth to go around the more the US slides into the cool zone.
I know it makes my parents feel bad when I talk bad about this country though, as if I don’t like this gift I’ve been given. I try to keep a lid on it, for the most part.
You know your neighbors less than even your coworkers. There’s no social binder to bring people together.
It sucks. When I started working here in the US, I met my first 3 IRL libertarians at work: straight-up 'copy paste most of the tropes' personalities. And where I rent, no-one outside, unbelievable.
I know it makes my parents feel bad when I talk bad about this country though
That happens a lot between my parents and me as well, I jokingly tell them every year that 'this year it finally tumbles down'... I know how much they suffered and what they sacrificed to get here.
I get the feeling my dad regrets having immigrated here. I think that is sometimes foolish but seeing how his life is I kinda see why but at the same time it's really :thinking-about-it:
I feel like a lot of older LatAm immigrants become really disillusioned, like behind the bubbly personalities we tend to have there is a lot of resentment among some of the older coworkers I've had who immigrated from Mexico. The Central Americans tend to be less bitter (probably because their countries are even poorer, I think?) but a lot of older Mexican people seem pretty wistful. In the USA we as a group even after the civil rights movement have some of the worst outcomes across the board in all metrics.
The USA wasn't always this fucking awful though, a lot of older people have told me it was super nice until like Reagan, and my dad got here during Reagan and he said "it was a lot better and cheaper" and it seems like only in the last twenty years have things gone conmpletely down the toilet. Even in my life I've seen pretty measured decline, the last five years have been fucking insane in terms of how much overall quality of life has gone down, but I think that is because the symobiosis of tech/landlords is a malignant influence in my specific area.
I'm gonna say we are very prone to nostalgia (pulling out my 100% Hecho en México card) because we cherish our homes, our barrios, and although it's bruised and broken: we love México. So, for that, I'm sorry for being wistful at times lmao.
And neoliberalism hasn't fully arrived over there: you know this, but Latam (global south, in general) has been really resistant to it: the lack of infrastructure that capitalism needs to expand has been like it's unintentional defense, and because they don't wanna spend money lmao (fucking cheapskates) they don't 'develop' unless 'really' 'necessary', so it hasn't dissolved society down to bare individuals yet <- pure speculation.
Yeah, my parents are that way too. They both, they're divorced, go back to their respective small towns back in Mexico every year. It was a lot better and cheaper, because of less inflation (you know this already)... but like if you lived most of your life outside the US, and, once inside it, you are presented the abundance of things you've never even seen before; it was like a high, for them. That's what I think.
Living inside the US isn't fucking awful *, it's political culture has become increasingly inane and annoying... social life is very isolated. I can't tell you how it's changed the last two years, sorry, that's when I entered the scene.
Try being a muslim from Pakistan, having FBI come to your home after 9/11 to search your house, after the parklend shooting FBI comes over your house to talk to you (American shooter), being called a terrorist throughout your middle/high school experience, and now as a DACA recipient you are stuck in fucking limbo as time passes by. Real good fuck time
I'm sorry that happened to you... that was me revealing my blind spot. Please share your side, we all hate the US here.
No fam that wasn't i was trying to say. I really hate it here as my life is frozen. I'm pissed, depressed, sad, lonely all at the same time and i just wornder what i did to deserve any of this. No ill will towards you.
That's beyond fucking rough, dude. that's beyond fucking bullshit. you didn't do anything to deserve any of that.
I've been praying for the balkanization of the US for like 3-4 years now, and I'm gonna start praying harder now.
:meow-hug:
:meow-hug: hell yeah
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The material wealth earned here is much more than anything my dad could’ve gotten back home in his rancho. But back there, there’s actual community. You go down the street and see people and you say hi to them and have a convo. There’s walkable town centers where sometimes bailes take place. (Granted small towns are insular asf but still)
Here in the US you go to work, put in your 8/10/12+ hours and you go back home. You know your neighbors less than even your coworkers. There’s no social binder to bring people together. There’s even less material wealth to go around the more the US slides into the cool zone.
I know it makes my parents feel bad when I talk bad about this country though, as if I don’t like this gift I’ve been given. I try to keep a lid on it, for the most part.
It sucks. When I started working here in the US, I met my first 3 IRL libertarians at work: straight-up 'copy paste most of the tropes' personalities. And where I rent, no-one outside, unbelievable.
That happens a lot between my parents and me as well, I jokingly tell them every year that 'this year it finally tumbles down'... I know how much they suffered and what they sacrificed to get here.