Responded to his shitty Biden Crackpipe meme with the :citations-needed: episode criticizing the Biden response to this absolute shitshow of racist misinformation. His initial response was “I don’t know what reality is anymore”. When I suggested it’s clearly not listening to :live-tucker-reaction: shit. He is like “but my property rights”.

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Romans were the first Europeans to develop legal codes based on notions of private property rights. Of course, in Rome, this was specifically a legal code based on the freedom to control other human beings. A father was legally the property owner of his wife and children. Much legal theory was based on figuring out who is responsible for stuff slaves do.

    • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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      3 years ago

      is this another thing from David Graeber? its not true. everyone in the mediterrean had legal codes and slavery and misogyny. there's a parent-system relationship from Roman law for parts of Europe but notably not England, that little-known capitalism developer.

      i swear i've had this exact conversation on this site before, someone's gotten it in a bunch of heads that Roman law was some novel and malicious invention because it has legal theory literature that's come down to us. it isn't very different from the rest of the ancient world. the economic paradigm this law described got transmuted at least twice to get to capitalism. Socialist law is also descended in the same way from very distant roman roots.

      and besides law is descriptive of social relations, not the driver (this might be a materialist hot take)

      • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah, this is maybe a good 60-80 pages of Debt. Perhaps a more critical take would be that the Roman legal premise of private property rights is found on a broader regional conception of freedom that involves a notion of property ownership and that much of the lingering malevolence of the Roman system is simply that when expanded to such a scale the atrocities committed have effects that linger over much larger time scales.