The French military has concluded that Ukrainian forces used an American-supplied Patriot air defense system to shoot down a Russian plane carrying prisoners of war, an official told the Associated Press on Friday. Russian investigators have reached the same verdict.

The plane, a Russian Il-76, was shot down over Belgorod Region last Wednesday while carrying 65 captured Ukrainian servicemen who were set to take part in a prisoner swap later that day. All of the POWs, as well as three Russian officers and six crew members, died in the crash.

A French military official told the Associated Press that a Patriot air defense battery was used to target the plane from around 50 kilometers away. Ukrainian forces surreptitiously moved the battery into range before turning on its radar “just long enough to hit [the plane],” the official said.

With an initial search of the crash site suggesting that a French missile may have been used to commit the attack, sources within the French military have already been telling the media for more than a week that the missile involved was American.

In a report released on Thursday, Russia’s Investigative Committee concluded that the plane was brought down using two MIM-104A surface-to-air missiles launched from a Patriot battery near the Ukrainian village of Liptsy. Liptsy is located in Kharkov Region, around 10km from the Russian border.

Missile fragments found at the blast site bore English-language inscriptions, which revealed that the two projectiles were from a batch made in the 1980s. One piece read “Raytheon,” a reference to the US arms maker that jointly designed the Patriot system.

Following the Investigative Committee’s report, a source within Russia’s security services told TASS that it is very likely that there were American specialists among the crew operating the system.

(non-archive source: https://www.rt.com/russia/591734-france-ukraine-patriot-missile/ )

  • raunz@mander.xyz
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    10 months ago

    I'm serious.

    Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne analyzed the list and confirmed that most of the names were previously mentioned as being POWs or missing persons, and that some had appeared in captivity in Russian propaganda videos.

    “We found Ukrainian citizens in the list who have already been previously exchanged," Lubinets said.

    source

    • notceps [he/him]
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      10 months ago

      Walk me through this then.

      I'm russia I'll send a plane to Ukraine with no one on it, though I'll claim that this plane is for a prisoner exchange. I know that the Ukranians are going to shoot down that plane because reasons.

      What do I do when that plane doesn't get shot down? Like what do I do if it lands and the supposed prisoners are not on board?

      And the whole 'this was a prisoner exchange plane' is confirmed by both sides. Ukranians said quite literally after this happened "There was supposed to be a prisoner exchange happening today after this [the plane shotdown] it is no longer happening"

      Edit: Also media has lied, hell governments lie, why are the ukranians unable to lie, after they've been lying about all other things like remember the rocket that killed two polish farmers and how everyone fell over themselves because ukr said wasn't theirs and then it turned out it was theirs instead of this weirdo theory that russia was able to put an s-300 inside western ukraine to shoot at a random farm in poland to cause strive or some shit like that?

      • raunz@mander.xyz
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        10 months ago

        Basically all I'm saying is there's no proof (nor evidence) that POWs were on board as the plane got shot down. Therefore RT shouldn't claim that "The plane, a Russian Il-76, was shot down over Belgorod Region last Wednesday while carrying 65 captured Ukrainian servicemen".

        Also Ukraine called Russia’s narrative into question and demanded an international investigation, which Moscow refused.

        • notceps [he/him]
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          10 months ago

          Again stop this just think about it, if Russia has no one on board what are they going to do if the plane doesn't get shot down. Like you are literally just shooting at a wall then drawing a bullseye around it, ukraine can't be at fault so let me create a scenario where they didn't shoot POWs. I'll repeat it again if Ukraine doesn't shoot down this one plane that for all they know is carrying POWs then this plane would land at the exchange place and the ukrainian side could just see that no one was on the plane and they could accuse russia of baiting an international scene of all kinds of things really. This is just not a thing russia is going to do unless they 100% know that it will get shot down which would mean that they already have tons of people working for them on the ukranian side and if they did why would they shoot down a plane with a patriot missile system instead of just destroying it.

          If you apply just a tiny bit of logic all theories it all falls apart when the plan doesn't go as planned and I think at this point Russia knows that a plan doesn't always go the way they want it to.

          Again I don't care what the ukrainian government says they to this day don't claim responsibility for the rocket that killed two polish farmers after pretty much every western nation told them "This one was yours." they just continued to say "Nuh uh" and you are still going "Well I don't know guys I'll just trust them on this one tho" do you need to trust what the russians say? No, but you can just try to think this through and come to the conclusion that ukrainians shot down a plane carrying ukrainian POWs.

          • raunz@mander.xyz
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            10 months ago

            You should research where the plane was shot down and in which direction it was flying.

            • notceps [he/him]
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              10 months ago

              No? Why don't you put a similar amount of effort into this convo? If you want to bring it up bring it up properly instead of this vagueposting, oh no wait if you post some dodgy website like the one you did before then I can mock you for basically doing the anti-vaxxer thing where you'll just scour the internet for the one voice that agrees with you?

              You mean like how that media outlet said 'It's deboonked' even though ukranian government officials say that the people on that list were supposed to be exchanged on that day

              Show

              again this is ukranian sources the list is real but they claim that there was nobody on the plane. I don't know maybe russia just likes to play coy and as a lark sent an empty plane and was going to suprise them and then say "Gotcha man your face when you thought there was supposed to be a prisoner exchange we got you so good" but sadly they couldn't do this practical joke because ukr shot down the plane.

        • GaryLeChat@lemmygrad.ml
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          10 months ago

          Based on the proof available to me from your comments, you should stretch your brain every morning lest you pull something from these mental gymnastics you're performing.

    • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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      10 months ago

      In 2002, American media outlets analyzed aerial photos of big metal tubes in the desert and confirmed that Saddam Hussein was definitely building nuclear missiles. How did that turn out, and what can be learned from it?

      • raunz@mander.xyz
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        10 months ago

        Media outlets confirmed that Saddam Hussein was definitely building nuclear missiles? I'm not sure that's what actually happend. But regardless: There's no reason to believe in anything without conclusive evidence or proof.

        • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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          10 months ago
          Literally from Wikipedia

          -On September 8, 2002, Michael R. Gordon and Judith Miller published a story in the New York Times titled "U.S. Says Hussein Intensifies Quest for A-Bomb Parts":

          In the last 14 months, Iraq has sought to buy thousands of specially designed aluminum tubes, which American officials believe were intended as components of centrifuges to enrich uranium. American officials said several efforts to arrange the shipment of the aluminum tubes were blocked or intercepted but declined to say, citing the sensitivity of the intelligence, where they came from or how they were stopped. The diameter, thickness and other technical specifications of the aluminum tubes had persuaded American intelligence experts that they were meant for Iraq's nuclear program, officials said, and that the latest attempt to ship the material had taken place in recent months. The attempted purchases are not the only signs of a renewed Iraqi interest in acquiring nuclear arms.

          You're flailing here dude, just take the L and quit JAQing off on behalf of Nazis

        • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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          10 months ago

          I'm not sure that's what actually happend. But regardless

          "I'm not sure this fact is true, I won't do any research about it, now let me tell you more about what I think"

          you are a clown