We get it. You don’t like sports. Who cares. I think there’s validity to sport and I enjoy watching and playing many of them. Has capitalism ruined everything the common person holds dear in most sports? Yes. I literally wrote an article about it.

But sport itself isn’t inherently bad and being like “herp derp sportsball” makes you sound like a basement dweller incel who wants to shoot up their school because they think jocks get all the girls instead of the kind gentlesirs who study the blade.

A lot of people are only exposed to sport as a tv show and a product, but most sports have roots that go back hundreds of years, are very influenced by working class history and local teams are often at the heart of communities (although many have been stolen and turned into just another generator of capital).

Sports have also been an arena for the class struggle - aristocrats and workers battling it out over who should be allowed to play and control different games at different time, “amateurs vs professionals” (i.e. those who were wealthy enough to be able to fund their sporting career as a hobby vs talented workers who needed to be paid to play) was a controversy in sports for decades. Even today there are many teams run and owned by fans in some sports, and the struggle between workers who have been watching their teams for decades (even through multiple generations of families) vs their indifferent capitalist owners is ongoing.

Also playing sports is fun and you will make friends and get healthy.

Read up on sport in 20th century socialist states, it was treated with massive investment and athletes were awarded high honour, it was tied in to public health (along with often being integrated with making people fit enough to serve in the army to defend against all the capitalist countries wanting to invade you for trying to not be capitalist). Even in capitalist countries today grassroots sport is one of the only real community/social circles people have that isn’t tied to working for a capitalist.

  • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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    3 years ago

    As someone who isnt from the shithole country burgeristan:

    This is literally the same as saying that "hurr durr the fuccen nationalistic aryan sports competitions they did in nazoid germany wasnt fascist because sports competitions arent fascist"

    Murica is a fascist country which actively ruins the world and commits mass genocide through both hard and soft power. Therefore, anything the media industrial complex there does to placate people and unironically celebrate its "culture" is by extension, fascist.

    As someone else said: "big expensive displays of nationalism are pretty fash, yo"

    Furthermore, your insistence that criticisms stem from "not being a normie" or whatever

    A) Is a textbook ad-hominem logical fallacy.

    B) Is cringe because you're evoking some abstract concept of what's "normal" to create an in-group out-group scenario where you're on the side of the in-group. Basically invoking the "big other" unironically, its pure ideology combined with the petty immature mentality of your average american highschooler. A maldeveloped, spiritually poisoned human being due to both capitalist brainwashing and spending their formative years in a fucked up environment.

    • SgtHatred [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Well you've stepped above superbowl = fascism because of singing the national anthem to straight up the superbowl is fascist because it is played in America. I suppose most of the libs on this site are fascists too since they aren't actively fighting the country and therefor are complicit in the culture.

      Your A/B points are big Shapiro energy. I bet daddy would be proud

      :debate-me-debate-me:

      My point is that football/the superbowl cannot be described as being in itself fascist using ANY definition of fascism that has existed in the past 100 years. I personally think its funny when people misuse the word fascism. My "ad-hominem logical fallacy" is my personal theory as to why some people misuse fascism to shit on things they don't like.

      • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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        3 years ago

        Well you’ve stepped above superbowl = fascism because of singing the national anthem to straight up the superbowl is fascist because it is played in America.

        :jesse-wtf:

        There is a difference between american football as a game, and the fucking spectacle of the Superbowl in totality, which is uniquely fucking American and propagandistic, so it cant be played anywhere else by definition. You're strawmanning here, the argument is "the superbowl is fascist" not "american football itself is fascist".

        Your A/B points are big Shapiro energy. I bet daddy would be proud

        No I am his daddy, he has bottom energy. The difference here is that he is wrong and I am right :gigachad-hd:

        My point is that football/the superbowl cannot be described as being in itself fascist using ANY definition of fascism that has existed in the past 100 years.

        you idiot the argument here isnt that the Superbowl in itself is a new fascist ideology lmao why are you invoking "muh definitions", its a cultural manifestation of fascism from a fascist country. Do you think the US is a fascist country?

        My “ad-hominem logical fallacy” is my personal theory

        Exactly.

        • SgtHatred [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Where is the propaganda? How is it uniquely American? The Superbowl could take place in any liberal democracy. Liberal democracies suck ass but its foolish to pretend that they are actually fascist.

          Its a championship game for a popular sport. That's it. It has a hyped up halftime show, hyped up advertisements and a brief military flyover. You're acting like its a military recruitment event with several long credos about protecting the motherland and crushing the invaders. Its just a football game. It's the BIGGEST football game every year. But that's all it is. It does not promote fascist ideology or really reflect fascism. It's consumerist sure, but not fascist.

          • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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            3 years ago

            Where is the propaganda? How is it uniquely American?

            hyped up advertisements and a brief military flyover.

            pick one, this is utterly embarrassing, they begin the "Games" with the burger national anthem, anything celebrating the existance of a genocidal settler-colonial nation built on the blood of non-white people is fascist

            The Superbowl could take place in any liberal democracy. Liberal democracies suck ass but its foolish to pretend that they are actually fascist.

            You actually think america is a democracy :farquaad-point:

            Its a championship game for a popular sport. That’s it. Its just a football game. It’s the BIGGEST football game every year. But that’s all it is.

            Critical thinking is lame, noted.

            There are multiple examples refuting your dogbrained "arguments" in this thread and its not even worth talking to you seriously until you address every single one of them.

            • Civility [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              @SgtHatred isn't actually a communist.

              They're a liberal who comes here to concern troll.

              Their entire post history is just doing apologia for reactionaries, trying to deradicalise people, trying to make us look bad when semi-public figures come to do AMAs and just in general, presumably for screenshot purposes and occasionally going "oh wow, us communists sure are awful and weird huh, no wonder everyone hates us".