• cawsby [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      There are alternatives than stanning for Biden or Putin on the Ukraine crisis.

      Neither leader has the Ukrainian people's interests at heart.

      • throw42069at [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Consider the overwhelming cultural similarity between Russians and Ukrainians and the complete lack of similarities between Americans and Ukrainians

        Also consider the power balance in the world: America is like 3x more powerful than Russia geopolitically. To say literally "neither Washington nor Moscow" is to support Washington implicitly: neutrality is nothing more than supporting the winning side

        • cawsby [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I'm sorry, but not supporting Russia in escalating a civil war is not supporting the United States implicitly.

          Cultural similarity isn't a reason to invade a country.

          • throw42069at [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            If you watch a bully beat up a kid and pledge neutrality, who are you really supporting? If you watch the kid fight back and condemn the kid's actions, who are you really supporting?

            • cawsby [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              You can't break down the Ukraine crisis into a simple analogy.

              • CheGueBeara [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                You also can't describe this conflict as if it's just Great Man Theory lol.

              • throw42069at [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                Remember the fucking fall of the USSR and the crimes, atrocities that followed. Russia is the little kid fighting back against the bully in every shape and form. You condemn Russia because they are giving America a bloody nose, after Russia was raped (both figuratively and literally), torn apart, and dismantled. America deserves no influence, no influence at all in Eastern Europe.

                • cawsby [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  Again, analogies don't work for this.

                  What exactly are you talking about?

                  • throw42069at [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    "Analogies don't work for this"

                    Give me a fucking reason why the analogy of bully vs victim doesn't work here. Give me an actual argument rather than plain assertions.

                    Explain to me why Russia isn't the bullied here. America literally tried to dismantle Russia in its entirety. Russia is simply taking back what was once theirs.

                    Do you not know anything about the fall of the USSR? Do you not know about the Russian cross? Do you not know about anything related to Eastern Europe? I suggest you look at a map of the world before declaring that Russia is no more fit to influence Ukraine than America, halfway across the world.

                    There is no reason for America to be in Eastern Europe at all. Period. Asserting otherwise means you are supporting American imperialism. And if you do, you are no comrade of mine.

              • geikei [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                Well there is the Minsk deal as an alternative diplomatic solution and route thats already signed by Ukraine. Oh wait they shitted every day for the last 7 years ? Nevertheless

                • DengXixian [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  Yeah. This is literally an escalation by fascists. Hilarious to see libs bending over backwards to justify more blood for the military.

              • CheGueBeara [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                A reading of the timeline would make this better described as a response to escalation.

      • Staines [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Honestly, Russia officially allying/occupying DNR/LNR would at least mean people there can live their lives without daily ceasefire violations.

        In terms of regular life, I think this is the most peaceful outcome.

        • cawsby [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          The Ukrainian civil war isn't going to end with Russian occupation.

          • DengXixian [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Who gets to decide if this is Russian occupation vs actual peacekeeping? DNR/LNR are both Russian speaking countries that have under attack by Ukrainian neo-nazis for almost a decade.

            • cawsby [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Same kind of peacekeeping the US engages in without any international support?

              • DengXixian [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                I don't think I understand what you meant, could you explain? Are you saying the US should decide?