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  • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Yeah. Look, Putin blows, but you poke the bear enough, and this is what happens. I don't think people understand how intent the US is on sinking Russia and China's economic influence on the EU and other states. There's been a clear shift away from the US in recent years, and Merkel's last couple of years were marked by way more openness towards China's BRI. We already know how badly the EU relies on natural gas imports from Russia.

    Putin already sold his populace out by finding money to fund this campaign when shit wasn't given to the populace during the pandemic. The country already has sanctions placed on it before all of this. The longer this drags on, the more the common man suffers.

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Indeed. Westerners are so appalled by the idea of doing diplomacy with people that gasp you might not like that war is the immediate reaction, and if war doesn't solve it, then you get a bunch of op-ed writers writing shit like "Dropping Nukes On country we hate May Be The Most Humanitarian Option". Now here's a country that can actually hold their own, and advance quickly, in conventional warfare. You can't just poke them forever and expect them to take it. The last few weeks have been characterized by utter stupidity by almost every journalist and politician in the American political sphere and now, just like every other time, working people who have no control over their political institutions are the ones suffering. I hope Ukraine surrenders soon and that Russia can ensure that they will never go for NATO membership.

      • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        I've had so called leftists call me an imperialist dog and shit for taking that line. I'm not even saying this to be condescending, but do people even understand how complex this geopolitical situation is? If you have zero understanding of the 2014 conflict, or what NATO has been up to since the 90s, you aren't going to have any nuanced takes on the matter. And yes, I fully fucking understand that lives are stake. The larger issue is that the lives never stopped being at stake, even before Putin started amassing those troops.

        Stalin supported a regressive monarchist in Afghanistan against Western imperialism. The situations aren't the same, but the balance of power is not at all equal on both sides in this conflict either. It's especially moreso the case when you realize what type of impact letting the US dictate economic outcomes for the EU will do to China's foray with BRI.