it is the principle that is important. In a media environment dominated by American exceptionalism, any sort of criticism of US Imperialism is likely to get washed away or buried, whilst criticism of Russia is likely to stick and stay in the public consciousness
Shouldn't we be materialists in the end? Shouldn't we look at the class interests both here AND there? It just boggles my mind how American left can ignore material interests of the ruling class in Russia and say that we shouldn't criticize them, it drowns out anti-imperialist narrative. There's nothing radlib in recognizing oligarchy, nationalism, fascism. And you Americans ignore this for what? For cheap rhetorical wins to own libs? Unveiling the workings of the capitalist-imperialist system takes more analysis than just blind side-taking. If we truly employ materialist framework, one can't ignore BOTH sides of the conflict
The post you linked is just more infuriating than the previous one. What's materialist in it? Riley just cites the things that are perceived as good for the working class, but I guess the working class doesn't actually include people in Russia and people in Ukraine. See, this is why online discourse is putrid, wretched and villainous. For you, for Americans, its just geopolitical games where we can support a fascist as long as he contributes to "multipolar world" and does a couple of good things on the side. Materialist analysis of what Putin actually tries to achieve by sending people to die in Ukraine? In this particular situation? Doesn't matter. Putin owns Nazis! We will believe him at his word when he says that there's a genocide of ethnic minorities and shelling of Donbass because he forgave Cuba's debt. Disgusting.
It's a capitalist vs capitalist dogfight. GZD posters are promoting a capitalist war. I could understand if you were defending China, an actual socialist government. I could understand if western leftists were saying "I understand that Putin had his reasons, but any kind of war is unacceptable". This Riley person and GZD are straight cheering on capitalists! Working class of Russia and Ukraine should be in your minds, how people suffer from the consequences of capitalist squabbles, how they die and go hungry. It's unbelievable to me that saying "no war but class war" is this hard for leftists.
And I didn't even touch any nationalist stuff that Putin said in his 1 hour speech, but never mind that. Putin apologists are disgusting and pathetic as it is.
Shouldn't we be materialists in the end? Shouldn't we look at the class interests both here AND there? It just boggles my mind how American left can ignore material interests of the ruling class in Russia and say that we shouldn't criticize them, it drowns out anti-imperialist narrative. There's nothing radlib in recognizing oligarchy, nationalism, fascism. And you Americans ignore this for what? For cheap rhetorical wins to own libs? Unveiling the workings of the capitalist-imperialist system takes more analysis than just blind side-taking. If we truly employ materialist framework, one can't ignore BOTH sides of the conflict
Good points. Check out this comment too (by riley) which looks at things materially: https://hexbear.net/post/176544/comment/2184998
The post you linked is just more infuriating than the previous one. What's materialist in it? Riley just cites the things that are perceived as good for the working class, but I guess the working class doesn't actually include people in Russia and people in Ukraine. See, this is why online discourse is putrid, wretched and villainous. For you, for Americans, its just geopolitical games where we can support a fascist as long as he contributes to "multipolar world" and does a couple of good things on the side. Materialist analysis of what Putin actually tries to achieve by sending people to die in Ukraine? In this particular situation? Doesn't matter. Putin owns Nazis! We will believe him at his word when he says that there's a genocide of ethnic minorities and shelling of Donbass because he forgave Cuba's debt. Disgusting.
It's a capitalist vs capitalist dogfight. GZD posters are promoting a capitalist war. I could understand if you were defending China, an actual socialist government. I could understand if western leftists were saying "I understand that Putin had his reasons, but any kind of war is unacceptable". This Riley person and GZD are straight cheering on capitalists! Working class of Russia and Ukraine should be in your minds, how people suffer from the consequences of capitalist squabbles, how they die and go hungry. It's unbelievable to me that saying "no war but class war" is this hard for leftists.
And I didn't even touch any nationalist stuff that Putin said in his 1 hour speech, but never mind that. Putin apologists are disgusting and pathetic as it is.