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https://mobile.twitter.com/InfraHaz/status/1496959654676606979

  • Bluegrass_Buddhist [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    It seems odd to attack Hakim for saying the very obvious. I actually agree with this guy that US / NATO provocation pushed Russia into a geopolitical corner. Putin and co. probably fear a repeat of the late 20th century, and felt they had no choice but to try and pre-empt further encirclement by forecefully eliminating the possiblity of Ukraine joining NATO.

    But bruh, any war that isn't the protracted people's is still bad.

    • Parent [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      What happened in the late 20th century that you're referring to? Sorry, still trying to learn about the situation. One of the questions I've had is what's so bad about allowing encirclement? Is there a legit threat of Russia getting couped if nato encroached into Ukraine?

      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        The fall of the Soviet union, and yes there is a threat of the same as well as access to markets and blue water ports

        • Parent [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Is there really as strong of a desire from the west to coup the Russian federation as there was desire to coup the USSR?

          Good points didn't consider the access to markets and blue water ports. But in the short run doesn't this hurt business since it'll cause sanctions?

          • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            The west has spent thirty years treating Russia as if they're still our enemy, expanding NATO and continuing to refuse any kind of real economic partnership. NATO has been pushing this brinkmanship via Ukraine for the past decade, and blowing up Ukraine's skirts with the idea that the west would back them against Russia. Ukraine was just a pawn as the lack of support post invasion shows, but now NATO as an organization is revitalized, the military industrial complex has new business, and Europe will possibly stop drifting away from the USA as a result. Also, this cuts off Russia from the EU petro market and means US oil corps get a chance to take up the slack.

            Whether this was a strategically good decision I don't know, but I'm sure for Putin thirty years of opposition from the west has proven to him that we will not under any circumstances engage in mutually beneficial deals and will keep sanctioning Russia regardless of what they do. If you're fucked either way you might as well prove to the west that you must be respected and will protect your borders.

          • Bluegrass_Buddhist [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            Coup? Probably not. Isolate and nuetralize? Sure. They get to try and contain an antagonistic world power that's been forging closer ties with China, and make a fortune doing so.