It's still by far the best of the sequels, because it's actually trying to do something. Rian Johnson has heard of themes before, and some of his movies have them, which is more than I can say for JJ Abrams. Plus Star Wars has always had problems with its starships just being WW2 era navy battles, it's just more obvious here.
7 is better than every prequel. Craft matters. Nothing saves the atrocious dialogue, camera work, editing, etc of the prequels. 7 is a retread and a simple adventure, but it's at least well made, acted, paced, and shot. There's nothing wrong with simple adventures, especially when the prequels aren't exactly arthouse.
9 is the only one that gets prequel bad because of the rushed editing of the opening and the comic book level plot. Even then, it's only about as bad as ROTS and I'd still probably watch that garbage over AOTC.
I can respect preferring 7 to the prequels, but 9 is worse than the prequels in almost every aspect. The pacing in the prequels feels Oscar-worthy compared to 9. Even though AOTC has the worst individual moments in the series, the movie manages to hold itself together better than 9.
Been a while, only saw it in theaters. What themes did 8 have? There was one scene that had absolutely zero effect where Benicio del Toro says "weapons dealers sell to both side." Rose's line about saving what we love instead of fighting?
I thought the stuff with Luke and Rey was interesting, about how you have to let go of the past and all that. I don't think the themes of 8 are amazingly complex or impressively told, but they still make it better than 7 and especially 9.
See that theme could have been effecive, if it wasn't undermined by the end of the movie. Rey and Luke went back to being Jedi (Rey even keeps the sacred texts) and Kylo Ren became a sith lord. "Let go of the past" but still end up recreating the exact scenario that the movie began in, except worse off.
It's still by far the best of the sequels, because it's actually trying to do something. Rian Johnson has heard of themes before, and some of his movies have them, which is more than I can say for JJ Abrams. Plus Star Wars has always had problems with its starships just being WW2 era navy battles, it's just more obvious here.
its also the only Star Wars to like, interrogate the world at all? like hey guys maybe these Jedi guys kinda sucked and blew it at their ONE JOB?
This is true and incredibly frustrating.
Sad but true.
If ideas were all that mattered, the prequels would be good films.
They're better than the sequels. Interesting ideas explored badly are still way better than 7 or 9.
They hardly even have that interesting of ideas.
7 is better than every prequel. Craft matters. Nothing saves the atrocious dialogue, camera work, editing, etc of the prequels. 7 is a retread and a simple adventure, but it's at least well made, acted, paced, and shot. There's nothing wrong with simple adventures, especially when the prequels aren't exactly arthouse.
9 is the only one that gets prequel bad because of the rushed editing of the opening and the comic book level plot. Even then, it's only about as bad as ROTS and I'd still probably watch that garbage over AOTC.
I can respect preferring 7 to the prequels, but 9 is worse than the prequels in almost every aspect. The pacing in the prequels feels Oscar-worthy compared to 9. Even though AOTC has the worst individual moments in the series, the movie manages to hold itself together better than 9.
Been a while, only saw it in theaters. What themes did 8 have? There was one scene that had absolutely zero effect where Benicio del Toro says "weapons dealers sell to both side." Rose's line about saving what we love instead of fighting?
I thought the stuff with Luke and Rey was interesting, about how you have to let go of the past and all that. I don't think the themes of 8 are amazingly complex or impressively told, but they still make it better than 7 and especially 9.
See that theme could have been effecive, if it wasn't undermined by the end of the movie. Rey and Luke went back to being Jedi (Rey even keeps the sacred texts) and Kylo Ren became a sith lord. "Let go of the past" but still end up recreating the exact scenario that the movie began in, except worse off.