I don’t wanna. Debates are pointless and they’re not smart enough to process anything I say, so I just say “yeah that sucks” and try and change topics.
I don’t wanna. Debates are pointless and they’re not smart enough to process anything I say, so I just say “yeah that sucks” and try and change topics.
You just gave three examples of some very blatantly stupid and easy to counter arguments. That's not libs being clever. If you're being outmaneuvered by libs spouting this kind of blunt and demonstrable falsehood then you may just need to put some points into rhetoric.
They can always put maneuver you because they don’t believe in anything. There’s really not light you can shine in their eyes that will help them. They’re in that sweet spot where they’re just dumb enough to not see reality but just smart enough to build sturdy walls against it.
That's where you change the onus. You have expressed opinions that they wanna tear down, if they do so, ask what they think should be done and interrogate the shit out of their answers. If it's some non commital lib crap tell them sitting on a fence just leaves you with splinters up your ass. The walls are strong, but like the attempted border wall has giant giant fucking holes. It's an attrition thing at that point. What comes in there is having really good recall for history and theory, blasting people with well sourced info works crazy well verbally cause they don't have unlimited time to Google every sentence you make and pretend they have a gotcha, they gotta work in the moment.
Encouraging Libs to action is just encouraging them to do lib action. Honestly bullying them into being fence sitters is the best you can do, otherwise they’ll want to nuke Tehran in the name of trans rights. The only progress I ever made with Libs in being anti-imperialist was in convincing them that their well meaning actions just fuck things up, getting them to be passive was a victory. You can’t pill them on actual communism because they’re scared of spooky “authoritarian” leaders coming to take their treats away.
That's fine. Nothing means not vocally supporting the Ukraine and manufacturing consent for NATO involvement. Neutrality on this war is totally acceptable but carrying water specifical in defense of Ukraine and painting Russians as monsters is not only wrong but dangerous. We are trying to stop a fucking war here.