• FidelCashflow [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    This does pre-suppose that the US not doing the most in that region at that time and that is not a claim that fits other observeable data.

    You are right that we don't have conclusive evidence about clandestine agencies. However given their behavior I really feel like it can be reasonably assumed.

    • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Sure, it can be assumed and i didn't suggest otherwise (in the right wing collective memory it lives on as an event "where the West failed Hungary"), i just said outright dismissing what happened in Hungary as a color revolution is not necessarily sound analysis.

      • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        It's true that color revolutions need some underlying social factors to get started but especially as if didn't work there must not of have been that strong a base of support.

        • star_wraith [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          And that's basically Maidan too, right? There was an organic movement within the country it's just the US/NATO used it for their own ends?

          • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Which works. Cause it means when there are groups with legitimate grievance the government has to keep then down just in case the CIA finds out and gets claws into it.

          • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            That's why we should be in those movements and directing them towards radical ends. If the CIA and fascists are there, we need to be there too, opposing them wherever they pop up.

            • jizzy [any]
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              3 years ago

              That would require an alternative to capital with which change can be affected, and that doesn't really exist. You can point to some amount of collective conscious coming out of online discussion, but it's not worth jack shit in a situation where Capital has decided to invest.