• 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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    9 months ago

    NATO is a hostile military alliance formed for the sole purpose of destroying the Soviet Union. It did not go away when that purpose was achieved, but continued to creep closer to the USSR's main successor state despite assurances that it would not. In this post-USSR period it has undertaken multiple purely offensive actions (the former Yugoslavia and Libya come to mind). It also invaded Afghanistan as a response to 9/11, despite none of the hijackers being from Afghanistan, and despite the Afghan government offering to turn over bin Laden. Then you have the puppetmaster of NATO invading Iraq on completely false pretenses, and generally running a wide-ranging assassination program all over the world.

    I wouldn't want NATO near me, either.

    • mellowheat@suppo.fi
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      9 months ago

      NATO is a hostile military alliance formed for the sole purpose of destroying the Soviet Union. It did not go away when that purpose was achieved

      Somehow it doesn't currently seem like it was achieved.

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        9 months ago

        If you think the Russian Federation and the USSR are remotely comparable, you're smoking crack. NATO won, and the depraved, neoliberal regime it replaced the USSR with is its own God damned fault.

        • mellowheat@suppo.fi
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          9 months ago

          NATO won, and the depraved, neoliberal regime it replaced the USSR with is its own God damned fault.

          I don't think USSR became what anyone in the west wanted it to become. It's nowhere near neoliberal, for one, more like a mafia state.

          If you think the Russian Federation and the USSR are remotely comparable

          Oh no, I don't. The Russian Federation is much worse. Just saying that we didn't really "destroy" them in the same way as, for instance, Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan was destroyed in WW2.

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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            9 months ago

            I don't think USSR became what anyone in the west wanted it to become.

            Who is Yeltsin?

            It's nowhere near neoliberal, for one, more like a mafia state.

            Technically it quickly became something closer to classically liberal rather than neoliberal (as the imperial core shunned it) but to claim that liberalism is opposed to mafiosi is hilarious, it has never existed without them. It's like saying liberalism is opposed to slavery, there is some vacuous sense in which you could use sophistry to push that angle, but when you look at real, historic manifestations of liberal states, they are heavily economically reliant on various forms of slavery, whether domestic or via their dogs in the third world.

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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        9 months ago

        Lmao what?

        What nations are allowed to have their own interests, and act to secure those interests? Is that something only for the U.S. and (when the U.S. allows it) its allies? Or is it possible that some countries have legitimate interests that conflict with the U.S.?

        • mellowheat@suppo.fi
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          9 months ago

          What nations are allowed to have their own interests, and act to secure those interests?

          Is Ukraine allowed that?

          • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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            9 months ago

            Legitimate national interests don't include attacking ethnic minorities, which is a major cause of the current war dating back to the early 2010s.

            There's also a question of what "national interest" means when the U.S. coups your elected government, as it did to Ukraine in 2014.

            • mellowheat@suppo.fi
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              9 months ago

              There’s also a question of what “national interest” means when the U.S. coups your elected government, as it did to Ukraine in 2014.

              Does there exist proof that it was a US coup?

              • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                9 months ago

                https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict