Rafah is considered to be the last stronghold of Hamas, and Israel has just invaded it.
I was expecting this whole operation to result in the destruction or near-destruction of Israel, but it seems to not be the case. There isn't enough being done by other nations to stop Israel. Even the actions of the Houthis aren't enough.
Hamas just fired some rockets from north gaza this morning, Rafah isn't the last stronghold of Hamas, it's the last stronghold of Palestinian children and women
I disagree with you. There are lots of factors involved here, but consider some things
- A War is about politics. What Hamas did put Israel regime under a lot of pressure in a moment when they were already not doing well. Now israel has a hard internal and external situation.
- As some put, "if a guerrilla doest lose, it already won". Israel is doing very well in its genocide campaing, but they are not winning on the combat with armed people.
Even if Hamas lost the combat tomorrow, Israel is politically too fragile. In time, this will result in serious consequences. Look at Iraq right now: the usa position in this country was very fragile, and now that this crisis arrived, they are being taken out. And the end of all of this, they (iraqs) will emerge as a more sovereing country. Wait and see what will happen in Oman and Jordania.
That being said, i dont think Hamas will lose military as things are, but Burguersam can always interfere. Theres a reason why Israel is trying to start a war with lebanon, they want things to get "out of control" so that the usa "needs" to intervene. Why?
Look at Vietnan War history. Look at the history of the palestine combats. Look at the history of south africa, chinese revolution, Leningrad, cuban revolution etc. The history of glorious Haiti defying fuckin Napoleon. You dont need to have faith, you need to know history better to undertand The Power of resistance
And even then, Israel (and the West in general) has completely and permanently lost any facade of "civility.". The aging imperialists in charge are trying to recycle the same strategies from Korea, Vietnam, Panama, East Timor, and so on, except this time the entire world is watching and remembering. These massacres aren't just something being read about in the paper. These soldiers are gleefully making tiktoks of their depraved war crimes while a senile American president fails to gaslight the rest of world that its not happening.
Even if the Palestinians are completely displaced from Gaza, it's just a matter of time before the Israeli state is in ruins. The most powerful tool that imperialism has is the mask of legitimacy that upholds its narratives. And the US and Israel, as regimes in decline, will never be able to restore it. While things are pretty bleak and are bound to become more violent in the shorter term, the writing really is on the wall for the yankee empire.
Rafah is considered to be the last stronghold of Hamas
By who? There's a great argument that this war exposed Israel's intelligence as sorely lacking, and they have a vested interest in declaring victory.
I was expecting this whole operation to result in the destruction or near-destruction of Israel
I think it's far more likely we see a resolution closer to post-apartheid South Africa.
I think it's far more likely we see a resolution closer to post-apartheid South Africa.
If what you're saying is true, it seems more hopeful of an ending, at least, considering the multipolarity of this world...
Remember that "Israel" occupied all of Palestine, including Gaza and the West Bank, for many years after the 1967 war and it still wasn't enough to destroy the resistance.
I don't see this ending in occupation, but expulsion. Israel wants that land and doesn't want the people, it's an obvious next step.
All they need is a partner to take expelled Palestinians and they crush resistance forever.
That's genocide, sure, but that won't stop them.
It takes one collaborator Arab government to collapse for there to be another Yemen. If that government is Egypt or Jordan, Israel is done for. It’s hated by everyone in the region, it will always be resisted
I think Egypt and Jordan are far from becoming another Yemen but I could be wrong. I do think the Americans will go to great lengths to prop up their puppets there. Even if Palestine was completely calm, losing one of those would be a disaster for them.
Both are ripe for revolution, both have high unemployment and poverty rates. In Egypt conditions are worse than 2011. The very exact opposite of the Arabian Gulf states where generally the people are fat and happy.
Of course many governments have vested interest in the Egyptian junta remaining in power. The Arabian Gulf governments are taking the approach of providing it with financial support.
How do you see the situation in Rojava and the question of jesidic people in Syria, and Turkey's position, what do you think about the PKK? I ask cause it seems you did spend some time thinking about the geopolitics of the region.
I don’t think I can form a coherent opinion on Rojava and the PKK. I am Saudi and my government support of them makes me suspicious, at the same time I don’t trust Turkye. Ethnic and religious minorities deserve rights and protections that aren’t provided to them, and they have the right to fight for them but carving nation states out of Syria and Iraq is not the solution.
All they need is a partner to take expelled Palestinians and they crush resistance forever.
Palestinians don't just disappear if they are sent to Egypt.
They don't, but it will be a lot easier for the occupiers to colonize Gaza if the indigenous population has been deported. That is what the original Nakba was about.
The Zionist entity is trying to pick a fight with every neighbor, and the US is trying to provoke Iran. I wouldn’t assume this is the end if I were you. Decades happening in weeks right now.
Like the Yemenis said "we don't care we don't care make it a third world war"
What you have to remember is that the US deliberately parked the Navy right off the coast of Palestine for the sole purpose of keeping anyone from sending a force to intervene. All the lack of help for Palestineans is part of the plan.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The moral arc of history bends towards justice
Can't have an ethnostate these days
From my very smooth brain understanding of things...
The nation of Palestine, currently, is a series of territories where the Palestinian people have been forced in to by the Israeli Occupation Forces. Each territory is pretty much independent from the others as they are cut off from each other by the IOF. So if Hamas is completely destroyed or is depleted to a point of being a non-actor, Palestinians will still exist. At least for a while. I'm not sure what Hamas' goal was in kicking over the hornets nest that they did, maybe it was to "die on their feet instead of their knees" or maybe it was a desperate attempt to "bring attention to the quiet genocide being committed by the Israeli government" but it was never going to be "completely destroy the nation of Israel and retake their lands."
But Israel's reputation on the world stage has been deeply damaged in a way that is going to be very hard to repair or ignore. I'm not sure how much that matters but its not nothing.
Operation Al-Aqsa Flood happened when it did because it was the ideal time. It’s true what’s happening is tragic, but it was either way. Out of all the options available for resistance, this was the best possible. You’re right about the goal. Their slogan was “victory or martyrdom.” They exposed “Israel” to the world as a paper tiger and got the world to care.
It seems they're completely occupied but are still fighting in the rubble
I don't consider them to be in a favorable position. I'm not sure many positive changes in the world happen from favorable positions, though.
You thought that the attack on 7th of October wouldn't lead to retaliation?
Most went as I did expect it. If fewer civilians would've been killed in the initial attack and not so many people be taken as hostage, then I don't think most of the destruction we see now would've been the case, as limited effect with a focus on primary military targets might've kept the refusenik opposition in Israel alive.
However the Nova massacre and alike created a situation in which Muslim Arab Israelis (or Palestinian Israelis) identify with the state of Israel 70% more than with other attributes, the highest value in decades. It also led to plenty leftists, many who knew people killed, to prioritize "safety".
The death of some of the more prominent kibbutzim that were left voices for a shared land solution, that tried to connect the people and workers in the areas also let to plenty unpolitical people to believe more into a narrative of genocidal Hamas and widespread male support in Gaza for them and for violence against Jews.
The Israeli Arab (own self labeling) I know who worked with queer refugees from "Arab countries", including Gaza, tells that his family is quite angry. Hamas or someone with them targeted Arabs, too, and Arabs did try to save people and often did. Previously they were not very friendly with military in Israel and against plenty conservatives, now Muslim school friends of his are in the IDF.
I do think that Israel is now more unified internally than before. I did not think that Hamas and others had enough troops to hold territory and static defenses and tunnels hold their value primary when the opponent can't use time and control of movement of population to chip the military infrastructure away. This will not be able to neutralize all Hamas members, as they can't be differentiated in the population, but it will destroy building and the social conditions for regular life during the hot phases of conflict.
I did expect Egypt to open borders though and allow non military aged people to seek refugee.
Israel itself has a government that will keep using force as long as hostage are alive and bodies are kept, unless some harsh economic or political change happens. At least till the 8th of October of this year there will be support for continued military operations in Gaza. Likely in two-four month the ground operations in Gaza will be declared as "complete" (once every area was under direct Israeli control).
Those are just things that are the another perspective.
Your view ignores international pressure a bit, but in terms of internal logic of the conflict on the ground your outlook is true. No surrounding state is materially attacking Israel.
Israel is finished. If it doesn't fall before, it will fall alongside the genocidal USA. Your comment history is full of Zionist narratives. Are you an open Zionist?
If fewer civilians would’ve been killed in the initial attack and not so many people be taken as hostage, then I don’t think most of the destruction we see now would’ve been the case,
The October 7th resistance event would have been used to excuse the genocide regardless. Most being killed by the IOF confirms this, aswell as all the fake stories about raped women and beheaded babies.
The death of some of the more prominent kibbutzim that were left voices for a shared land solution, that tried to connect the people and workers in the areas also let to plenty unpolitical people to believe more into a narrative of genocidal Hamas and widespread male support in Gaza for them and for violence against Jews.
Where did you hear this?
The Israeli Arab (own self labeling) I know who worked with queer refugees from “Arab countries”, including Gaza, tells that his family is quite angry.
Actually they told me you were full of shit.
I do think that Israel is now more unified internally than before.
Well naturally, they've murdered so many innocent Palestinians that the needle shifted.
I did expect Egypt to open borders though and allow non military aged people to seek refugee.
You expected Egypt to participate in Israel's ethnic cleansing?
This fed really was pushing a sneaky "Supporting Hamas is homophobic" into their drivel and thought people wouldn't notice.
