Someone please tell me if Russia has done anything the US hasn't done so far? The Russians haven't done a second Hiroshima, Dresden, or My Lai and I just missed it?
Someone please tell me if Russia has done anything the US hasn't done so far? The Russians haven't done a second Hiroshima, Dresden, or My Lai and I just missed it?
I am chill thats just the reality of it, Read Robert Fisks on the ground accounts they're powerful. If you tell liberals "you're right the wiki and pentagons numbers show slightly less civilian casualty's" your just giving them ground and will never change their mind. Hammer home how terrible the US is, recount individual war crimes, assume the largest counts of deaths are correct. We aint gonna make any liberals anti war by saying the Russian Invasion of Ukraine is less bloody then the much more massive US invasion of Iraq. I mean really why bother? If they call you a Putin shill or whatever laugh in their face. And as a general rule one can convince liberals sure but never appease them, they'll have you moving the goal post over and over and over.
I am not arguing with libs though, I was doing it for myself and comrades that needed a point of comparison, you always want to build the strongest case that you can so that if you are wrong you are erring on being wrong in the right direction. Arguing with libs on this is completely pointless because they have completely lost their minds, any statement that doesn't immediately toe the party line makes you worse than a nazi in their eyes. Unjustly accusing people of being war crimes deniers is not fucking cool, and considering we get that shit all the time from libs I would expect better from people here.
Fair enough. Apologies for being grand standing. I guess I've just seen excuses for NATO and Imperialism bleed into online and even irl leftist spaces so much its making me a little too bitter. I had a long time peace activist friend irl literally yelling crap about how Russia cant just get away with this someone has to "do something" blah blah. Its all just so jarring ya know.
My sister is in the "do something" crowd. One of the smartest, compassionate, and kindest people I know and yet she is completely bought in hook line and sinker to us getting involved. I think that's one of the the worst bit about the propaganda machine is that it take the best parts of people and perverts them to it's ends.
I agree I think especially sense R2P(responsibility to protect) was put into the UN in 2005 and then invoked to justify the bombing of Libya humanitarian interventionist propaganda has been deeply insidious. Every modern empire has a narrative of itself as a great liberator to an extent but the Samantha Power Ideology is a bug in every liberals brain. In a way those Ukrainian Foreign Legion dipshits are like the Jihadis of "humanitarian intervention" except unlike the Islamist they are fighting for something mediocre lol.
Plus sense the vast majority of people are not aware of world events unless the war machine wants them to be they'll think we haven't done anything yet even when we clearly have. Syria was/is so emblematic of that. Most Americans still think we kept our hands clean of that "civil war" despite Operation Timber Sycamore, US/Israeli bombing and our NATO ally Turkey and the Saudis/Qataris running amok.