No, and I'd prefer if you try to take what I say in good faith, it'll make this discussion easier and maybe even productive - those are silly questions to ask. That isn't the only issue, just the most extreme one. Its about how and when a child learns about any aspect of this topic, and their learnt perspective on it.
Again, two bad things don't make a good thing. I wouldn't want my children to have cops in schools, because I'd worry that they would influence their development & education, being authority figures and role models.
ok, well I'll assume I'm unblocked... thanks, I'm glad you don't think I'm just an idiot.
I said it wasn't in good faith, because nowhere have I explicitly or implicitly stated anything to do with the subject of your questions - I'm talking about pornography, and a pornographer teacher, being an issue. Of course it goes without saying that the worst of it (that you brought up) is an issue, and I wouldn't expect that would need to be stated or implied in this discussion, or I'd hope any other. So it looked to me like you were trying to accuse me of making a connection that I haven't. Good faith is not simply assuming your interlocutor believes what they say, its also not putting words in their mouth or arguing with something they haven't said or implied.
I'm not implying that the teacher presents their pornography for children - if that were the case I'd expect they'd be more than simply fired, but also prosecuted. Its rather that when this becomes public knowledge, it is widely known in the community, and there is a risk that children could have access to it, and/or simply be aware that their role model & authority figure is a pornographer. With children, because they are different from adults, we have to be very strict with our risk assessments and eliminate all possible and actual sources of harm. With this subject, there is a high degree of risk and potential harm.
So why should a teacher be fired from their job if their students decided to sexualize them and actively search for pornography that they might be in?
The students in this particular instance are elementary school kids. So ... if they're searching for porn at that age... what's going on with the parents?
So why should a teacher be fired from their job if their students decided to sexualize them and actively search for pornography that they might be in?
Hot take, elementary school kids shouldn't be held to the same standards of adults. They shouldn't have access to pornography and they especially shouldn't have access to pornography of people they know in real life.
This isn't a blame game, it's about who gets to be protected. The teacher being fired is not saying she did a moral wrong. It's saying I prefer for a classroom of children to avoid any chance of seeing porn of their teacher. If we could guarantee that only adults could access her onlyfans, then it would be different.
You either protect the teacher, or the classroom of children. Neither did anything wrong but you should choose to protect the children in this case.
what is more offensive about "pornography of people they know in real life"? sexworkers are all real people that deserve the same respect and dignity as anyone else, doing sexwork doesn't corrupt one's soul or make all contexts they exist in sexual. should porn performers not be allowed to walk down public sidewalks? there might be kids there!
Hot take, elementary school kids shouldn't be held to the same standards of adults. They shouldn't have access to pornography and they especially shouldn't have access to pornography of people they know in real life.
Hot take, it's not the teacher's responsibility to keep children from accessing sexually explicit material, it's the parent's. If children are accessing the OF account of someone they know in real life, then the parents need to sit down and have a frank, age-appropriate discussion with them about sex work, porn, and appropriate boundaries.
Yes, because they're the responsible adult, by virtue of their job and you'd hope their age and experience, and its their actions that allow it to become a possible risk. Children of course should be taught properly, but they're also impulsive and not wise and lack education, so we don't treat them as responsible for their actions (with caveats) in the same way we do adults.
Small children can have older siblings or friends who might show them that, and sometimes parents aren't responsible or good parents, sometimes children themselves are innapropriate because of harmful upbringing - this might be unusual or unlikely, but with children (and an institution entrusted to care for people's children) any small risk must be treated very seriously.
There's also nothing bad about teachers not being allowed to be pornographers, or drug dealers. Any teacher must be fully aware that if such activities become public knowledge they will be fired - likely for breech of contract. I doubt this was a surprise to the teacher in question.
No, that is wack, get the fuck out of here
Fucking hellworld ass priorities and perspective
Teachers are only allowed to be asexual, atheist, gray blobs who are must not be allowed to exist as their own human person and must conform to the deeply fucked up values of our society
You going to say that teachers who have attended pride/ kink parades should be fired too, next?
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No, and I'd prefer if you try to take what I say in good faith, it'll make this discussion easier and maybe even productive - those are silly questions to ask. That isn't the only issue, just the most extreme one. Its about how and when a child learns about any aspect of this topic, and their learnt perspective on it.
Again, two bad things don't make a good thing. I wouldn't want my children to have cops in schools, because I'd worry that they would influence their development & education, being authority figures and role models.
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ok, well I'll assume I'm unblocked... thanks, I'm glad you don't think I'm just an idiot.
I said it wasn't in good faith, because nowhere have I explicitly or implicitly stated anything to do with the subject of your questions - I'm talking about pornography, and a pornographer teacher, being an issue. Of course it goes without saying that the worst of it (that you brought up) is an issue, and I wouldn't expect that would need to be stated or implied in this discussion, or I'd hope any other. So it looked to me like you were trying to accuse me of making a connection that I haven't. Good faith is not simply assuming your interlocutor believes what they say, its also not putting words in their mouth or arguing with something they haven't said or implied.
I'm not implying that the teacher presents their pornography for children - if that were the case I'd expect they'd be more than simply fired, but also prosecuted. Its rather that when this becomes public knowledge, it is widely known in the community, and there is a risk that children could have access to it, and/or simply be aware that their role model & authority figure is a pornographer. With children, because they are different from adults, we have to be very strict with our risk assessments and eliminate all possible and actual sources of harm. With this subject, there is a high degree of risk and potential harm.
So why should a teacher be fired from their job if their students decided to sexualize them and actively search for pornography that they might be in?
The students in this particular instance are elementary school kids. So ... if they're searching for porn at that age... what's going on with the parents?
Hot take, elementary school kids shouldn't be held to the same standards of adults. They shouldn't have access to pornography and they especially shouldn't have access to pornography of people they know in real life.
This isn't a blame game, it's about who gets to be protected. The teacher being fired is not saying she did a moral wrong. It's saying I prefer for a classroom of children to avoid any chance of seeing porn of their teacher. If we could guarantee that only adults could access her onlyfans, then it would be different.
You either protect the teacher, or the classroom of children. Neither did anything wrong but you should choose to protect the children in this case.
what is more offensive about "pornography of people they know in real life"? sexworkers are all real people that deserve the same respect and dignity as anyone else, doing sexwork doesn't corrupt one's soul or make all contexts they exist in sexual. should porn performers not be allowed to walk down public sidewalks? there might be kids there!
Hot take, it's not the teacher's responsibility to keep children from accessing sexually explicit material, it's the parent's. If children are accessing the OF account of someone they know in real life, then the parents need to sit down and have a frank, age-appropriate discussion with them about sex work, porn, and appropriate boundaries.
Yes, because they're the responsible adult, by virtue of their job and you'd hope their age and experience, and its their actions that allow it to become a possible risk. Children of course should be taught properly, but they're also impulsive and not wise and lack education, so we don't treat them as responsible for their actions (with caveats) in the same way we do adults.
Small children can have older siblings or friends who might show them that, and sometimes parents aren't responsible or good parents, sometimes children themselves are innapropriate because of harmful upbringing - this might be unusual or unlikely, but with children (and an institution entrusted to care for people's children) any small risk must be treated very seriously.
There is nothing bad about a person doing porn tho, it's entirely separate and irrelevant to being a teacher what are you talking about
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No, that is wack, get the fuck out of here
Fucking hellworld ass priorities and perspective
Teachers are only allowed to be asexual, atheist, gray blobs who are must not be allowed to exist as their own human person and must conform to the deeply fucked up values of our society
You going to say that teachers who have attended pride/ kink parades should be fired too, next?