Been hearing a lot of rumblings from normal people in the warhammer community they are tired of fascists worshipping the imperium of man in their community.
is it like a human supremacist group in the lore or something like the empire in Star Wars?
Been hearing a lot of rumblings from normal people in the warhammer community they are tired of fascists worshipping the imperium of man in their community.
is it like a human supremacist group in the lore or something like the empire in Star Wars?
Warhammer's satirical roots are of a very similar nature to the original run of Judge Dredd (and it was created by writers and artists in the same social circle as the creators of Judge Dredd, in addition to just outright borrowing a ton of things from it - it would not be entirely inaccurate to describe the original version of Warhammer 40K as Lord of the Rings mashed up with Judge Dredd and turned into a space opera): despite the whacky elements the setting used to have its core satire was a bit drier, namely that it crafted this absurd world where enough people thinking bad thoughts could literally cause daemons to appear and eat everyone and aliens really were just comic book villains out to get you, a setting so extreme that it justified the Imperium's paranoia and iron grip. Effectively it was holding up this excessive, absurd, and contrived universe and saying "this is how stupid things would have to be for these actions to be rational" in much the same way Judge Dredd holds up Dredd himself as an impossibly perfect, selfless, and incorruptible superman as a "look how impossibly dedicated and perfect someone has to be to wield this sort of power, and even there he's the only one all the other Judges suck and the system is a wreck because it's stupid and dysfunctional." It could almost be seen as a sort of satirical Thermian Argument, where half the joke is how ridiculously contrived the justifications have to get to become coherent.
So obviously that gets missed and it becomes a sort of unintentional "Thermian Propaganda" to borrow the term someone else here came up with when I was trying to find a term to describe basically that phenomenon (but intentional) a couple of weeks ago, where the joke is lost and instead you're left with a set of justifications that make the Imperium's extremism become coherent and rational in-universe and that get taken seriously by its fans. On top of that is the fact that the Imperium is just steeped in the aesthetics of death and sacrifice and however silly and excessive it is it makes the viewer feel the emotions associated with ideas of doomed last-stands and redemptive violence, and that induced emotion is a key part of intentional Fascist propaganda because Fascism is fundamentally a warrior death-cult that reveres violence and sacrifice for their own sake (or more accurately, this is a cornerstone of Fascism and a key part of how it appeals to its would-be warrior class, because Fascism does have other fundamental attributes and other cornerstones as well).
Meaning if you write a story about the how 112th Death Brigade from Bellum IV covered themselves in pictures of skulls and fought to the last man in a hopeless battle against the space demons of Osteo IX using laser guns and building sized tanks, and their leader Colonel Bonehammer died setting off his own grenade when he was surrounded after getting his chainsaw stuck in a megademon's head, even if the intent is that this is all very silly and pointless you're still writing a story about soldiers covered in Fascist iconography dying "glorious" deaths in a battle against monsters and sacrificing themselves in acts of redemptive violence for a greater cause. It's like the old saying that you can't make an anti-war movie because even if the point is to showcase pointlessness and horror you're still making a spectacle of it and making the audience feel things and even if those things are sorrow and anger they're still consuming the media to feel those things and so despite being negative emotions they still satisfy and please the viewer.
112th Death Korps Infantry Regiment from Krieg, adorned with the Symbol Imperialis, fulfilled their duty to the God-Emperor in a fight to the death against the forces of the Ruinous powers of Chaos Undivided on the surface of Osteo IX armed with only lasguns and a single baneblade. Their leader Colonel-Commissar Aldridge Bearhammer died setting off his own grenade when he was surrounded after getting his chainsword stuck in a Daemon Prince's head
It's a lot funnier if they fulfilled their duty piling up their corpses to for a ramp up to a fortress's walls for the actual elite troops to walk up. (I do realise there is actually an example of that, but I think the setting would work better if more of the stories were like that and less about your brother impugning your honour by killing more demons than you)
Considering how we're talking about the Death Korps, they actually might use their own dead as a ramp so they can assault an enemy position. Honestly they might actually consider it an honor that their bodies can still serve in destroying the Emperor's enemies in death
Yeah, pretty much. I opted to make it more generic for anyone not familiar with the setting, while at the same time describing something that I'm just going to guess has been written at least several dozen times across the novels, sourcebooks, and splatbooks. Like Gaunt's Ghosts is weirdly one of the less fashy series (Dan Abnett in general seems to portray the Imperium much more like a federation of widely varied systems* ranging from feudal aristocracies to liberal democracies to things that are bizarre and completely alien like cryogenic necrarchies, along with making space marines genuinely alien and inhuman instead of the power armored crusader fratbros that other authors write them as) and every book is just one long string of named, long-standing characters dying heroically or pathetically with little rhyme or reason to most of it.
*That's another thing that's shifted how the setting is portrayed: authors sitting down and trying to make the Imperium into something that while still dysfunctional actually sort of works and is coherent with the scale of the setting, and that pretty much requires stripping out the sort of uniform extremity of it and instead making the Imperium something distant and concerned with little more than taxes in the form of resources and conscripts, with the vast bulk of its worlds being left alone even if they fall into bloody civil wars or revolution, so long as they keep up with their taxes. And that's almost more dangerous, because it further removes the setting from the satire and builds further justifications into the vague "Thermian Propaganda" quality that it already has.