feels to me like there should be kind of outreach and way to connect these communities, i know here is more 'left unity' and shitposty than gzd but still the overlap between the 2 seems too large for it to be worth having 2 separate tiny communities instead of combining them into one bigger one.

i see a ton of stuff that's literally just reposted on both anyway, and neither here or lemmygrad is anywhere close to the size that r/gzd or /r/cth was on reddit. feels like they should be interconnected somehow or one should absorb the other. the online non-corporate social media 'leftist' community is far too small to be split up this much.

i personally vote for hexbear because i like the bear.

  • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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    3 years ago

    What did they say? What are the examples?

    Surely if it's that prevalent you remember some?

    I'm sure I will find plenty of comments saying what you are saying now with no source to back them up.

    I did a search and literally found nothing. Maybe that's because of the quarantine but you're gonna have to do more than "some people said so" to make a coherent argument.

    Let me reiterate how ironic and funny this is, you're someone who ostensibly takes great skepticism and a critical eye toward news about a designated enemy that you have no primary sources for, (e.g. I don't trust jack shit I hear about DPRK from the west), but now you are confidently making assertions about abuse of power from some commie mods on a site you won't even post sources from.

    You don't even need a reddit account if this problem is so prevalent, if moderation is the problem then certainly you should be able to find something in the modlog that proves your point?

    It's not like everything we do isn't transparent.

    Take a cue from your sub's namesake and do some self-crit

    • KeepStalin [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      Don't have a dog in this fight, but there are complaints about the moderation (even if you disagree with the reasons given). Use Camas: https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{%22subreddit%22:%22genzedong%22,%22resultSize%22:100,%22query%22:%22hexbear%22}

          • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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            3 years ago

            ok still not clicking it, this other guy is being dodgy I'm just trying to find out what exactly the issue is.

              • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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                3 years ago

                So can you give me any examples? any quotes? anything? I'm trying to figure out what mod action it is that they have issue with.

                I'm extremely hands off myself in terms of moderation unless it's something explicitly reactionary or harmful

                • KeepStalin [comrade/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  Here you go, grabbed a few examples:

                  "Describing specifics ends up drowning everything in copious bizarre personal drama between individuals.

                  My judgment of "Hexbear" is very big picture = bad vibes. You're neither hanging out with close friends nor visiting a public forum. You're forced into a constant struggle session where everyone's a wrecker, everyone's angry at each other, everyone's having a personal crisis because of what someone else said, everyone's getting banned for hurting mods' feelings, etc. Every week is new drama.

                  I blame the admins/mods for being moody micromanagers - constantly tinkering with everything, but never having a clear idea of what they were trying to do. With my conspiracy hat on - their goal was to kill the Chapo community, invite in leftists and make them feel shitty. Without it - they're the worst online community managers I've ever seen. Some outsiders were definitely stirring shit up on purpose, but the responses were worse than the problems."

                  "It's an over-moderated echo chamber that doesn't have easy access to adjacent communities of indoctrinable libs like Reddit. The site is bad at promo/marketing, they changed their name from chapo.chat which was PERFECTLY FINE to.. Hexbear?! for what reason I don't know, but that and also some ridiculous modding decisions as well as a bunch of people whining about nonexistent "wreckers" drove me off the site."

                  "That's only the tip of the iceberg. The discord server went through a lot of drama with many MLs getting punished and eventually banned from the community while the same rules were not being enforced for other tendencies within the community. They have had a history of banning trans people so much that a majority of trans people on the discord at the time splintered off and made their own community separate from chapo, and the hexbear response was to bring on a token trans person as mod who hasn't been active on months. To this day hundreds of trans people are banned from the site if not completely disillusioned with the place. The mod team has taken to calling these people "wreckers".

                  There have been allegations of stalking, pedophilia, and grooming too. The staff there is tight clique and there are allegations that the server has changed hands a couple of times already. The evidence for these can go either way depending on who you believe but the fact that this controversy exists to this day is indicative of a huge problem and personally I cannot trust anyone who has allegations of grooming (like Beatnik for example).

                  I also remember there was at one point they were promising mod elections in response to all of the criticism but I don't think that ever happened."

                  "chapo/hexbear would ban us for our takes on sex-work, not to mention they prohibit "sectarianism" and fuck that.

                  I also don't believe one second chapo/hexbear will ever be federated, it's a "road-map" that was all but abandoned once they started fucking with the code.

                  And their mods are overly online assholes.

                  Lemmygrad ftw"

                  • Nakoichi [they/them]M
                    ·
                    3 years ago

                    read my response to the image that I just replied to.

                    Please go outside

    • ZZ_SloppyTop [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Could it be me who is wrong? No it’s all of GZD are just wreckers and reactionaries!

      • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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        3 years ago

        What is their problem? I'm honestly trying to find out. You keep giving troll responses

        I didn't say gzd was wreckers and reactionaries I said the majority of things removed by mods are.

        Put up or shut up.

        You keep dodging this question and making essentially a straw man argument without even constructing the strawman.

          • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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            3 years ago

            So people are mad about measures against swerfs and to protect trans comrades from harassment from the first few I've seen.

            :stfu-terf:

            And someone complaining about the name change.

            Yeah this is fucking pointless.

            You kids need to grow up and go out and touch some fucking grass I swear to god.

            • ZZ_SloppyTop [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              You will never be introspective will you? It’s literally impossible for you to be wrong.

              This is why you have this reputation. You could have proven these users wrong by having a normal conversation with me instead of immediately going for an attack and avoiding all introspection or admission of any fault whatsoever.

              Many of these people criticizing you are trans, look at their user names.