Montefiore, the man who wrote the book, is a published historian and was already rich, famous and connected at the time he wrote the book the claim was in. The claim wasn't the centrepiece of the book and it wasn't accompanied by any real larger propaganda push to tarnish Stalin's legacy, Montefiore had everything to lose if he was caught lying about or falsifying historical records and very little to gain by doing so.
There were rumors at the time, that's a matter of public record, that were dismissed as baseless slander. Montefiore had access for the first time to unsealed Soviet records he says were about Beria investigating the rumors, finding out to his shock they were probably true and covering it up again. Montefiore did have access to previously sealed Soviet records about Stalin's personal life and the keepers of the records haven't contradicted him, nor have Stalin's family.
There was a DNA test a few years later (one of Stalin's grandsons by Vasily volunteered) which corroborated Montefiorre's story.
It's not a pleasant piece of history but I don't see any reason to doubt it.
Montefiore had access for the first time to unsealed Soviet records he says were about Beria investigating the rumors, finding out to his shock they were probably true and covering it up again.
Did he publish the records? According to the reddit post:
[Montefiore] cites a statement by KGB head Serov that supposedly confirms the story but there is no actual reference to this document in the bibliography, nor an image of the document in question. The only direct quote from this source is: “J. V. Stalin started living together with her.” [i.e. in the same house as her parents]
Source for the Stalin stuff? Getting contradictory views from the replies thus far.
When he was in exile/prison in Siberia he ostensibly had a child with a 14 year old from the village by the work camp. AFAIK the claim comes from his alleged descendant (IIRC they're claiming Stalin is their grandfather?) and there are no contemporary sources on it. I think there was talk of doing genetic testing between them and his known relatives, but I don't know what happened with that.
Her name was Lidia Pereprygina and Stalin and her had two children, one died as an infant. He was 35 and living in exile in Kureika after getting moved around in various work camps. He had gotten arrested at a Bolshevik masquerade ball of all things
It was March 1914. She was 14 years old. Stalin left sometime between winter 1916 and March 1917, then never spoke to her again nor had any interest in his son with her.
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Sure, and Stalin too, but knowing reddit this is somewhat celebratory of that shit
Oh they really like to pick and choose who's it's okay to be doing that and who's it not.
Don't forget they'll find an excuse to be Islamophobic too.
Also u/Martin_from_Utah: "Elon Musk is so cool for sleeping with Grimes :so-true:"
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how old is Grimes?
I mean she was thirty when she got with Musk, but the guy is clearly going after young women. He's a total predator.
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ah... the Warhol maneuver
Musk does hate his father though, it's literally the only good thing about him
aah, ok i guess, yeah the age gap is still very wide
gonna be honest i had no idea he was 50. I thought he was like 35 by the way he acts
I heard the book that made that allegation may not have been factual.
Edit: This is what I saw.
Montefiore, the man who wrote the book, is a published historian and was already rich, famous and connected at the time he wrote the book the claim was in. The claim wasn't the centrepiece of the book and it wasn't accompanied by any real larger propaganda push to tarnish Stalin's legacy, Montefiore had everything to lose if he was caught lying about or falsifying historical records and very little to gain by doing so.
There were rumors at the time, that's a matter of public record, that were dismissed as baseless slander. Montefiore had access for the first time to unsealed Soviet records he says were about Beria investigating the rumors, finding out to his shock they were probably true and covering it up again. Montefiore did have access to previously sealed Soviet records about Stalin's personal life and the keepers of the records haven't contradicted him, nor have Stalin's family.
There was a DNA test a few years later (one of Stalin's grandsons by Vasily volunteered) which corroborated Montefiorre's story.
It's not a pleasant piece of history but I don't see any reason to doubt it.
Apparently Montefiore was in Epstein's little black book. :what-the-hell:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/i5orop/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_the_letter_s_in_jeffrey/
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Did he publish the records? According to the reddit post:
Thanks for the context.
I don't remember the details of the discussion I read, so I'll take the doubts with a grain of salt then.I saw this too, in the Siberian Times, but when I shared it comrades told me it wasn't a reputable newspaper. Could have just been cope, idk.
Edit: I think this may have been what I saw. I'm reading it now.
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When he was in exile/prison in Siberia he ostensibly had a child with a 14 year old from the village by the work camp. AFAIK the claim comes from his alleged descendant (IIRC they're claiming Stalin is their grandfather?) and there are no contemporary sources on it. I think there was talk of doing genetic testing between them and his known relatives, but I don't know what happened with that.
Idk, read it long ago.
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Her name was Lidia Pereprygina and Stalin and her had two children, one died as an infant. He was 35 and living in exile in Kureika after getting moved around in various work camps. He had gotten arrested at a Bolshevik masquerade ball of all things
It was March 1914. She was 14 years old. Stalin left sometime between winter 1916 and March 1917, then never spoke to her again nor had any interest in his son with her.