Every once in a while I get that ominous feeling that killing and specially making animals suffer just for me to eat meat, fish and lactose is extremely wrong, but then I kinda forget.

I kinda see myself hunting wild game though so it's weird.

    • kristina [she/her]
      4·
      4 years ago

      Yeah. It requires personal change. That doesn't happen without material conditions changing, and I fail to see how material conditions will change in favor of veganism other than technology.

      • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
        3·
        4 years ago

        That doesn’t happen without material conditions changing

        Shut the fuck up, jesus christ. When the chapos or Brace mentioned people dropping "material change" as if that makes them smart on stream the other day I didn't think too much on it, but christ if this isn't the spitting image.

        You can easily not eat animal products, they're fucking cheaper.

        • kristina [she/her]
          5·
          4 years ago

          They literally aren't. One of the cheapest premade sources of protein is a damn McDonald's hamburger. The poor and the working class do not have a lot of time on their hands. Some aren't neurotypical and can make their own food. If you want to be strong enough to deal with fascists, you need around 30g of protein while working out. A single McDouble can handle that for cheaper.

          And don't give me shit about whey protein, to make it cheap you'd have to use milk to mix it. You can't just eat powder like that.

          And you can argue that maybe we should readjust our priorities, make certain products that are more vegan than other products cheaper. Sure, I agree with that. But you are arguing for people to choose specific, expensive things and acting like it is easily available to poor working class people right now. And the only thing that will change that situation are the following circumstances:

          1. SocDem electoral veganism (lol, I don't think they're even willing to begin that conversation)

          2. Revolution, which has pro-vegan elements (which requires certain material conditions)

          3. Technological advancement

          • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
            2·
            4 years ago

            If you want to be strong enough to deal with fascists, you need around 30g of protein while working out

            I'm going to guess you look like a scrawny 20 something, buying into the "protein from meat" myth. You know animals don't make their own protein right, they get it from the plants they eat.

            No one needs whey powder, eat normal food. Learn how to cook beans, eat broccoli, spinach, potatoes, even rice. Your body is not using 30 grams of protein each time you work out fucking lol

            • kristina [she/her]
              3·
              4 years ago

              I'm personally scrawny. My boyfriend gave me this advice and he has ~32 inch thighs made of pure muscle.

              • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
                3·
                4 years ago

                Lmao your boyfriend was propagandized by the animal agriculture lobby, you'd think someone on Chapo would get that

                • kristina [she/her]
                  5·
                  4 years ago

                  Then give us a cheaper form of protein comrade, post a link. We're really excited to hear back on it because we're poor

            • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
              1·
              4 years ago

              Veganism has historically been lower class, that's only been flipped because your government gives your money to the animal farming lobby.

              It's not classism to eat rice and beans you fucking moron.