Every once in a while I get that ominous feeling that killing and specially making animals suffer just for me to eat meat, fish and lactose is extremely wrong, but then I kinda forget.

I kinda see myself hunting wild game though so it's weird.

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    No it doesn't genius, you're just eating several cows. Are you raising and butchering one cow yourself? Buying one wholesale that will last that many meals?

    I also don't use palm oil and neither should you.

    Look in the mirror, you're literally doing "yet you participate in society. Curious!"

    Fragile fucking liberals.

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      Nah, you're just engaging in finger wagging over a consumer choice. Going vegan is going to save marginally more animal lives than not.

      See at least in my choice, I'd still get to eat meat and the cows are fed with thresher-harvested grain which would result in fewer animal deaths overall, and eating a cow (in my case, buying one wholesale that would last me for awhile) would kill less animals than your average vegan.

      Personally I'm not going to do that, but I like meat and will continue to eat meat. I will eat non-factory meat when I can get it and afford it. You can have a problem with that or whatever, but you're not really being honest with this argument. You only care about animals insofar as what can be done about their consumption for nutrition or clothing, but there's plenty more that could be done to minimize our overall impact and you don't seem to talk nearly as much about that.

      Also lmao do you think Marx subsisted on carrots?

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        Going vegan is going to save marginally more animal lives than not.

        What a fun take, it should if you do it right, save all the animal lives you would cause to die otherwise.

        You'd think of all places this you wouldn't get losers who like to play leftist while doing nothing of substance but posting criticizing people that actually do make change in their lives.

        I guess have fun with the heart disease

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          Again, do you think Marx ate nothing but vegetables? You cannot be a leftist if you're not vegan?

          And again you're just peddling junk science, vegans have the same mortality rates as people with other diets. That and vegan diets are not recommended for children, pregnant women, and the elderly.

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            vegans have the same mortality rates as people with other diets.

            You know this is wrong and are only saying it to make yourself feel alright with eating meat and dairy.

            That and vegan diets are not recommended for children, pregnant women, and the elderly.

            You're none of those things.

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              You know this is wrong and are only saying it to make yourself feel alright with eating meat and dairy.

              Is it?

              You’re none of those things.

              Why's it okay for kids, pregnant people, and elderly though?

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                Sorry there, misread that as morality. I don't know about mortality rates and don't care about if there's a difference, that's not my argument.

                I also didn't say it was okay for children, I'm saying you're listing those things as some excuse not to switch to a plant-based diet despite not being any.

                Usually people are here because of their ethical beliefs and claiming to be "leftist" but staunchly defending eating meat is laughable.

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                  Sorry there, misread that as morality. I don’t know about mortality rates and don’t care about if there’s a difference, that’s not my argument.

                  Okay. Well, I do care. I like to eat meat. I am going to continue to eat meat.

                  I also didn’t say it was okay for children, I’m saying you’re listing those things as some excuse not to switch to a plant-based diet despite not being any.

                  Well no, I just don't get why this supposedly enlightened way of engaging with the world is bad for some groups of people.

                  Usually people are here because of their ethical beliefs and claiming to be “leftist” but staunchly defending eating meat is laughable.

                  I mean it's only laughable if you think animals are the same as humans, which I don't. Also there's a lot of leftists you'd be invalidating with your belief that you need to be a vegan to be a leftist, like literally all its founders and philosophers.

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          I guess have fun with the heart disease

          Where is that take coming from? I don't believe this poster ever indicated that they were consuming the high levels of red meat associated (note the current sciences, to my knowledge, can not link the two) with heart disease?

          The arguments that have been presented so far are all about how counterproductive it is to criticize people for not going full vegan for reasons outside their control. it really is hard to eliminate all meat from a diet on the kinds of budget people like me live on.

          Can it be done? sure. if you either know how to or have two years to learn how to cook; and access to a grocer that carries more veracity on its shelves that Rice and pinto beans; And the time to plan out a meal schedule and shopping list; AND your not ND in a way such as to have problems with any of the executive decision processes involved in all of that.

          for a lot of people, it might as well be impossible.

          so, if we agree that the cruelty in the process is bad and that as a group action must be taken to change it, don't go preaching about the moral superiority of your personal decisions.

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            so, if we agree that the cruelty in the process is bad and that as a group action must be taken to change it, don’t go preaching about the moral superiority of your personal decisions.

            Which is basically my point, it's silly to shit on people for not going full vegan. If we were all vegan, capitalism would still exist and we'd still kill massive amounts of animals just to get our vegetables via factory farming.