The reason why I lost interest in RuneScape is because the game was going from a sort of of socialist economy, where you work and get paid for your work, into a more capitalist one where you spend a bunch of up-front money to make passive income. Eventually the amount of passive income you get just dwarfs playing the actual game and it's like "why bother?" All you do is log in, collect your Kingdom, then collect your Ships, Load up your machines, harvest your animals, do your daily and that's it. No gameplay. The most fun I had playing the game was actually earning progress in the game rather than having it handed to me, not roleplaying as a fucking landlord. It's kind of insidious how the game slowly turned into a lord simulator. I'm thinking of all the features which basically boil down to "You're the boss, make these people do work for you and you'll get free money/xp while you're away." How long until the MC becomes a slave owner?
I guess I play a different game, I havent touching Miscellania or done much farming. I play Ironman, which decouples you from the global economy, forces you to smith everything yourself. Forget rumors about nazis, the game is straight up owned by Carlyle Group, guys who brought u 9/11. But what do I care, its the best cookie clicker to play at work
Getting paid off by the people who did 9/11 isnt any better lol
If I could meaningfully quit, I would, but individual action isn't going to change anything.
which is why I grind lol. Go work at Amazon btw, we need salts and the company propaganda is a lie, theres more than enough time to shit and skill.
There's no union-busters where I live otherwise I would salt at a heartbeat. Best I can do is just minimize how much harm I have on the world and get ready for the collapse of civilization.
okay, im going to log off, play runescape, join the Amazon union drive, throw some car batteries into the ocean. Please, reconsider getting a job at a place considering unionization.
I live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. There literally isn't anything like that for me. Hard enough for me to get a job as it is.
farm enough gold on osrs to move to a place to get a job where u can salt. You cause more harm living in the middle of nowhere in this country, you basically NEED a car. Gotta grind irl to bring about a personal or social revolution, but thats the fun part of runescape
With all due respect this is getting ridiculous and is veering off into cracker leftism territory.
The account is conspiciously new and kind of gives me wrecker vibes so far. May even be a oh-so-very-clever attempt to "fit in" but can't help doing the bootstrappy sigma grindset chud phrasing.
Even the account name. :sus-soviet:
Yeah probably, though I was having fun which is why I played along. Usually trolls don't put in the effort to actually be entertaining, so you have to enjoy it when it happens.
Years of dealing with shitty trolls on :reddit-logo: has warped my prospective.
I do give credit that he tried a bit harder than the usual :reddit-logo: bazinga brain. Most just go to the phone bank dialogue tree with numerous paths such as "get a job" "get a real job" "who hurt you?" "vuvulzula" "you are mentally ill" "free helicopter rides" and so on.
Yesterday there was this guy on Serious Conversation being "asa autistic person I hate autistic people" after a quick diologue tree showed he was a troll, I left this message for him.
You post "asa" bullshit then have the gall to get offended that I called it out? You might get upvotes on here posting your genocidal garbage, but know that there's a growing community of people who see right through it, and are starting to get really sick of putting up with it. You're just a useless troll with zero stake in the matter and I promise you that you will die having never felt fulfillment in your entire existence. I'm not saying that to warn you or save you. I want you to feel the hopelessness of knowing every day that no matter what you do, that's your fate. You can't avoid it. There's no getting off. The best you can hope for is to feel nothing. God's light will never touch you. Goodbye.
His response was "fuck you."
Gottem.
No, really, gottem. That's the terminal stage of fascist "debate" that is inevitable if they aren't given what they're looking for. Sarte talked about it.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Sometimes, I just think of the alternate universe where Runescape just kept with Andrew Gower's original vision of the game, in which nearly everything is craftable, and the economy is decided entirely through small trades and the players...
One development that I couldn't stand was when they started putting resources on drop tables. It was designed to stop people from botting common resources by flooding the market through PVM, but they didn't stop there. It wasn't long before literally every resources was better obtained through combat than actually creating them. Unlike with botted resources, people still needed to get XP so these items' value plummeted into the dirt.
The most fun I had playing the game was actually earning progress in the game rather than having it handed to me, not roleplaying as a fucking landlord.
There are 3 classes of people
- much paid for no work
- well paid for some work
- no pay for much work
capitalism is 2) solipsistically telling 3) that everyone has the chance to be a 2)
while the actual 1) just sits back and becomes more 1)The most fun I had playing the game was actually earning progress in the game rather than having it handed to me,
Kind of random but ive met/seen techbros who think real life is basically Minecraft brah unironically apply this logic to the world and thus think that poor people are better off than people born rich since they can find the pride of earning their position as a CEO in the #grind which they will eventually do unless they are lazy etc. etc.
That would be a valid mindset if the work you did actually went to enriching yourself and not just most of it going to your boss, the rest going to the government to pay for forever wars, and the remainder ending up at your landlord.
no it wouldnt be because its a fetishization of doing work as the only means of securing both individual merit/survival and meaning to existence. Literally work insofar as to make a robot do it for you in the future, this is what socialism should be ffs. Robots doing shit is like immediate bountiful returns hunter gatherer society but in the future and better
Sounds a lot like the Warlords of Draenor expansion for WoW.
all these adventure capitalist style idle games are made so they can get you hooked on their game and you'll buy ingame items, even if you dont have much time to play the game.
I actually ran into an idle game on the app store like a week ago and it seemed neat because it actually had a story. Immediately you play the role of a white savior getting money from slave la- NOPE. Uninstall.
Bonus: Their chat filter didn't let me name my character any variation of "Cracker Musk" Like you tell me that I'm going to be owning a slave mine and then don't let me roleplay as Cracker Musk? Come the fuck on.
There's actually a cool idle game called Idle Civilization: World History where you plays through Marx's historiography, starting from primitive social group and collecting surplus value to unlock new technologies advancing through the stages of historical materialism all the way to achieving communist utopia. The original is more of a standard idle game, but the beta version is more complex and harder. For one I sucked with the beta version and never got past the stage of ancient slaveholding society lmao.
Reject monetized skinner boxes like Adventure Capitalist, embrace totally free skinner boxes like Trimps .
It truly weirds me out how many bad things I hear about Runescape, where even the good things sound disturbing and unfun to me when they're described by enthusiasts.
I appreciate that answer. At least it sounds more encouraging, at least for past merit, than "the grind is soooo epic and long and never really ends" or "the casino mentality of everything is really brutal but its also exciting" or stuff like that that I heard before.
Your enjoyment of the game is directly proportional to how close you follow the ironman playstyle.
This seems like the core gameplay wasn't interesting and once the skinner box was decoupled from it you became free
Nah the core gameplay was fine, I knew what I was getting into. I was never in it for the luck-based rewards, I just like working slowly towards a grand goal.
It's rewarding to see something so seemingly impossible to obtain and then working hard to achieve it like a week later. Really helps you feel less impotent.
Of course all that gets taken away once you have other people doing the work for you. Now instead of being free to achieve the impossible, you're enslaved into a system of dailies and manageering.
Buddy that's a skinner box. You're not thinking about the activity; you're thinking about an increasingly distant reward. You just described in a first-person perspective the definition of a Skinner Box. I'm not judging. I've played MMOs too.
There's no reward in maxing skills except the journey itself. It's not like real life where you put work into something and have something at the end. When you complete a game's progression, that's it. The game's over. You can't play any more. The problem is with real life is that I can't pour myself 100% into anything. Capitalism just doesn't allow that to happen, but in games I can. I guess that's why I find them such an appealing fantasy.
But in the end, the same empty truth remains: Nothing I do in a game is meaningful. It's little more than appeasing a need which I simply can't fulfil in real life. I hate it. I desire for liberation.
The game is a roulette wheel, and meant to play in the background. I only play to fight kerapac once a week, but it is a game where satisfaction comes from luck, or maxing a skill or account. It really is just a dopamine dispensing skinner box.
Every time I got curious about why such and old and janky seeming game remained popular and had such a startlingly high amount of players I would then look again and see the 2007scape civil war lines drawn again, with most people I see talking about it still :frothingfash: raging about a LGBT event that apparently caused the great schism. Maybe there were other reasons, but that's the one I keep seeing from the point of view of an outsider looking in. :nyet:
OSRS actually advertises directly to fash communities which is why there's so many of them playing it.
I was assuming that I didn't have the whole story, but apparently what I was missing was worse than what I was seeing. :deeper-sadness:
Oh man if you're in for a wild ride, check out the whole Mod Jed fiasco. Guy literally ran a runescape mafia and used his position of power to literally steal from people's accounts directly. Got away with it too. Despite being blatantly corrupt, nobody did anything to stop it. His updates are still in the game to this day, though a few of the worst ones were deleted due to issue with Venezuelan gold farmers.
Shit, that's a story in itself as well. One of the areas Jed made (the Revenant Caves) was designed to be a gang-controlled area. It was run by Nazis for years, but literally the instant the Venezuelans organized a union and took control, they deleted it. Basically, OSRS has deep ties to the alt-right and I would be surprised if they weren't funding literal neo-Nazis.
That sounds like the dev-level corruption in Eve Online, where the devs picked favorites for 0.0 territory wars in everything from "roleplaying events" that handed out unique blueprint originals that were basically licenses to print game currency, to resetting servers to reverse catastrophic losses to the devs' favorite players and alliances, and even building entire patch days around stopping tactics that were effective against the devs' favorites. Oh yeah, and evidence of said corruption got the whistleblower a permanent lifetime ban that was vigorously enforced.
That said, while the Eve Online devs were Randroids from the start and didn't exactly hide it, the nazi gang stuff you mentioned with OSRS is disturbing yet I can't help wondering what else you knew about it.
even building entire patch days around stopping tactics that were effective against the devs’ favorites.
Only tangentially related but this reminds me of the Dota TI '13 patch where they used a nerf bat to beat the heroes used by tournament winners Alliance into unplayability, team wouldn't win again after that.
A lot of the information about OSRS drama is easily available on youtube. My favorite is the Rock Climbing boots situation where they changed the stats and price of an overpowered PVP item but instead of the existing Climbing Boots keeping the item ID of the now statless variety, they instead converted them into the new Rock Climbing boots which had the same stats but a much, MUCH higher price. Obviously this meant that PVPers suddenly had the value of their banks septuple overnight, and there was lots of talks of the devs being in on it. (buying the item in advance) This wasn't helped by the fact the gold economy exploded overnight with insane runaway inflation. Yeah, nothing going on there. 👀 Oh yeah, for context PK clans tend to lean heavily fash with most of them either gambling it or selling their gold for real life money. They of course go soft on white people who RWT often looking the other way but when someone from China or the third world does it? Instant banhammer.
It doesn't surprise me but still saddens me that the pvp crowd had so many corruption-boosted fascists.
Unsurprising. PKing is basically built for fascism. It's why every game that has PVP has so many Nazis in it.
Good idea. Shill your website to a left-leaning hacker. what could go wrong :che-smile:
