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  • Owl [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    If they cancelled student debt, and mailed everyone whose debt was cancelled a letter that said "You don't have any more student debt because President Biden cancelled it," and then sent monthly reminder letters like "Reminder, you don't need to pay your student loans anymore. Because of Biden. But the Republicans want to bring it back," then Biden would win next term easily.

    But this is an absurd hypothetical that assumes that the dems are both on your side and cool, when they are in fact neither.

  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Too little too late. Biden was never going to win by doing good things anyway. People always speculate about these bougie politicians throwing people some crumbs but it never happens. The dems would rather lose an election than make rich people afraid that they'd actually do anything ever if elected.

      • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah, but legalizing weed, student debt forgiveness, whatever, it's all easy votes for anyone who does it, but they always leave it on the table. Why didn't Trump do it? Why didn't Obama do it? It's because they're all more concerned with winning support from the elites than from the people. Biden's public-facing brand has always been pretty shitty and he doesn't really invest in it, and it hasn't really stopped him, so why start now? If he can improve his public standing a lot at the cost of hurting his elite standing a little, it's probably not worth it unless the difference is overwhelming.

        The general strategy for US elections is to try to be the biggest lapdog while not totally alienating your base. You can, alternatively, try burning bridges with the elites and appeal to the people directly through popular policies, and that might work sometimes, but that's the exception. And I don't think there's a coherent path that goes halfway, because if you're halfway committed to the elites and the other guy is fully committed to them, they'll pick the other guy, and wtf would Biden even have going for him at that point?

  • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    I just don't think they'll do it. They're not doing 12d chess and waiting till it's more strategic; Joe Biden does not believe in canceling student debt because it shits in the face of his entire career.

  • JeanPaulFart [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    cancelling the debt won't win him more votes, but pretending he's considering cancelling the debt, if only you would vote the dems, might.

      • CrimsonDynamo [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        They already are. Go look at the reply guys in reddit threads about it. The state department already have the carrot to dangle, and it's student debt this time

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          • CrimsonDynamo [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I especially like the way the weed legalization bill made it through the house, and now it's been tabled for later so it can quietly be shot down in a few months.

  • SupFBI [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    Bringing the child tax credit payments back would be a better move politically.

    Both would be good morally and economically.

  • ScienceBear [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Honestly at a stage where I feel like I really don't care what happens to :biden: anymore. Will he cancel it, will he not cancel it? It all seems like people trying to read tea leaves and at the end of the day anyone with power has already shown they don't give a shit what people ask for.

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      3 years ago

      i mean he won't. it's not a question of whether he will. he's gonna not do it and he's going to lose. the question is, if he did it, would he win?

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    I see several outcomes. Biden tries to cancel it through executive order, a big deal is made about it. The order falters, fails, then becomes mean tested to the point of doing nothing. Everyone still has their student debt. Libs continue to praise Biden, chuds continue calling him a gay hologram demon or whatever.

    Or Biden offers some kind of very tiny crumb of student debt relief, something like maybe $500 forgiveness for everyone, but because these people are ghouls, he also has to do something bad, so he loosens some regulation simultaneously like on housing or stock trading. Libs praise him, chuds call him a globalist Muslim pedo or whatever.

    There's not a lot he could do to change public perception of him at this point

      • Foolio [any]
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        3 years ago

        At this point, most people who care about legal weed live in a legal or quasi-legal state (via med cards). It ain't gonna happen.

      • CrimsonDynamo [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        This. They're still not even looking the direction of poor working class people who couldn't even afford community college

    • StuporTrooper [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      And our political system is so broken and participation so low, that cancelling the debt of 13% of people would have massive affects on the voting population, probably pulling people in who don't vote. Which is why they'll never do it lol.

  • mittens [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    On its own it could've, yeah, but he's currently carrying the rotten carcass of BBB around, so it might not be enough as it stands.

  • StuporTrooper [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    So if Joe Biden does some debt cancellation before the 2022 midterms, it will most likely be small and targetted. Like "$10,000 relief and only if you make less than 23k a year."

    However, I don't think they will. Biden is much more likely to cave to perceived Republican demands than the actual demands of his constituency. Biden is the guy who made it illegal to go bankrupt of student debt. Even though it would be a slam dunk to provide wide sweeping debt relief, they won't do it because it might make republicans upset (who won't vote for Democrats anyways).