that threads so full of cope lol
not one person can outright say 'ukraine is losing'
I think reddit is full of CIA , human beings cannot be that dumb or yankees are dumber than global south ? XD
There are 100% bot farms working on reddit to boost pro-american foriegn policy narratives and to downvote counter-narratives
Yeah , one guy wrote Russian cannot lose and he was downvoted and attacked. Seems to me reddit is just full of CIA bots playing themselves. Where as when I watched BBC News YT comments about Putin.. It was clearly pro Russia and critical of BBC for failed journalism.
Idk if it's even Cia bots or just your average American being a hairs breadth away from being a full blown fascist.
Any default sub comment section is looking like a fox news comment section these days.
I was in a thread earlier where they were talking about how communism is cringe and they literally, without a whiff of irony used the liberty prime quote "Democracy is non negotiable"
I can't believe how chuddy it's gotten over there or how fast it's advancing.
The completely arbitrary "score hidden" thing is applied pretty unevenly and conveniently too
Score hidden is a length of time determined based on the subreddit
At this point I'm honestly starting to wonder if no education at all is actually better than the American education system.
It literally would be.
Think about how much of "American history" is "don't believe your lying eyes"
"The Civil War wasn't about slavery" (gee that's weird since it was literally free states versus slave states)
"It's ok we killed all the natives because God said all the land between the oceans was ours" (gee that sure is convenient for us)
"Government exists to amicably cooperate and figure out the way to do things that's best for everybody" (why does literally everybody agree they're getting fucked over then)
Don't forget the old chestnut about how nuking Japan saved more lives than it took, and we had to do it/didn't know better. I still remember that one. I think some teachers still teach that.
Yea how very American to decide the enemy population won't surrender so we have to nuke them.
After they'd already proposed conditons to surrender and their only request was to make their emporer the equivalent to the queen of England politically.
To be honest, my father taught me to never underestimate human stupidity.
As a Canadian, it's a western thing in general (though the US is the most glaring example of it). An increasing number of people know better, and I do think reddit is full of CIA- but the honest truth also is that there's also a sizable portion, or perhaps even a dominant majority (it becomes difficult to tell sometimes) who really believe all this shit.
Western chauvinism is a hell of a drug. Think about how white-worshipping, west-idealizing people are, then consider how bad those who are actually white and western and who buy into all of it just as badly or worse are- that'll give you an idea. And it gets worse- a sizable amount of even the occasionally dissenting voices are still part of this mentality in varying degrees, since it crosses the partisan divide.
The most productive comments i saw that weren't "yeah, Ukraine is losing" were "i love the pettiness of only using lowercase for russia". They have nothing.
It doesn't help that critisizing Ukraine gets you absolutely swamped iwth downvotes.
Well I'm not sure. I know for a fact you can't question Israel on some subs without getting banned.
Will Russia have it in a few years?
Lmao, Avdeevka was a full on route, soldiers were abandonig their positions contrary to their orders. This could end in a few months, and at this rate could even be a few weeks (tho I doubt so but you never know)
This could end in a few months
And then begins the slow and tedious counter-terrorist phase. Look at the second Chechnya war and the subsequent events
I also guarantee NATO is preparing "stay-behind" operations GLADIO style right now. gotta fight to the last Ukrainian after all.
It still sucks but it would be a huge improvement over the current "grind thousands upon thousands of barely trained conscripts into red paste" phase
I hope for a end to this war every single day, lets hope its weeks and not months.
War for territory is the western idea of the war in Ukraine, but it is clearly and explicitly contradictory to what the russian government has stated as official goals and strategy. Small territorial gains? Yes, but the russian objective is "demilitarization" and the only way to demilitarize a state that is unwilling to do it is to destroy their army and their ability to fight. Even the 3rd assault brigade, what's left of the infamous Azov Battalion, refused their orders to counter attack on the flanks of Avdeevka and there are reports and rumors that Zelensky might move /legally/politically against them. If even the most fanatical of their forces refuse to fight, then the rest of the army might stop following orders soon enough. That is a recipe for disaster in Ukraine, and at the least expected moment it all can get out of control for the government in Kiev. Not to mention that Zelensky's term is about to end, and who knows what will happen after that, since the country is really in no position to hold elections.
the only way to demilitarize a state that is unwilling to do it is to destroy their army and their ability to fight
all the more reason for Russia to move aggressively to envelop and destroy elements of the UAF like those 'routing' from these front line positions---if this is still too dangerous for Russia, the UAF must not be in that bad of a spot
I think slow and steady has done them nothing but good, they are in no rush, why start now?
sticking to slow and steady when the enemy is running away is prolonging a conflict by giving them an opportunity to regroup later. now it's possible the UAF really are in crisis, but if Russia doesn't exploit that with big moves that's as good as the Ukainians not collapsing in terms of how long it will take for the war to end
I have said it before: this conflict ends with the demilitarization and denazification of NATO. Ukraine is irrelevant at this point. It has’t been for a while.
why would not pressing an advantage against a NATO proxy in any way be conducive to that
Russia has no interest in destroying the Ukrainian forces, because the latter is already a spent force.
For them, the only means of destroying NATO is when Europe increases their defense budget spending and leading to the crumbling of their own economy. This is already happening, and ending the war now gives room for Europe to breathe and rebuild their economy.
As you might have noticed, the militarization of European NATO states will paradoxically lead to the demilitarization of NATO instead.
you're just asserting direct contradictions. UAF not destroyed---but they're spent, more military--demilitarization. but i'm really not interested in the layers upon layers you need to understand Russia's 20-year-plan that totally exists and guides every cautious or backward step the Russian army seems to make.
if the Russians don't want to destroy the UAF and continue the war in perpetuity, then the retreat at Adiivka (the event this comment thread is about) does not then herald a collapse of the Ukrainian position & the war will probably continue. which is what i was concluding, granted from different premises
This is a fair point. Hm. Maybe they're genuinely concerned about escalation, nuclear proliferation? They only want to deal with one Nazi regime at a time and maybe mowing down the routing Nazis all at once will make Poland or the Baltics all slide into conflict at once? Like, control the flow, leak the dam don't burst it. Speculation.
What is quickly ending the war going to do for Russia, except for risking higher casualties and giving Europe the room to breathe, as the latter is already going into austerity mode due to their increased military spending?
Russia’s only win condition in this war is economic in nature.
Remember, this is an industrial war - Russia can keep doing this forever while the EU is constrained by its monetary system and fiscal rules. The eurozone will not survive this if they truly want to defeat Russia in military terms. Europe ultimately has to make a choice, and all options available are worse for them.
I understand that they aren't there to eat Ukraine, I'm more pointing out that this still seems to be a stalemate. I feel like if they take kharkiv or something that would be a more obvious sign of the war coming close to an end
I think the real indicator of the war to me has always been the casualty rate and the resources spent. It went from 5 dead UKR to 1 dead RUS right from the start, now we're at 10:1 ratios--atrociously bad. The billions in Western weapons, tanks, and cold hard cash have all evaporated; their economies are in shambles while Russia's "fortress economy" lives up to its name.
It only looks like a stalemate if we look at it from the lens of territory. If Russia defined its own victory conditions as capturing all of Ukraine territorially in the shortest amount of time, they could have swept the entire country in a month or two. However, Russia defines victory by minimizing its own losses while bleeding Ukraine, minimizing civilian losses and destruction of civilian infrastructure, beating the West in the economic arm wrestle, and ensuring that liberated Ukranian territory is not a frothing hotbed of Neo Nazi paramilitary terrorist activity. By all of these self-defined victory metrics, they have consistently been performing exemplarily with only minor hiccups.
Even when some form of peace declaration is signed, the war won't be over. Banderites and their NATO masters will be waging war with Russia until the West as we know it has completely collapsed and been reinvented.
They do realize if WW3 does happen they will be drafted, right? Like, they’re frothing at the mouth for it but I don’t think they know they themselves will be fed into the war machine.
It's always everyone else that will be affected. Never them. This is what individualism has done to them. They have no concept of being part of society. They are separated from it and the only way to get through to them that they are all part of the same society is to bash them in the head with it.
It’s just so hard to empathize with such a narrow point of view. These people are too old to lack such critical awareness that other human beings roam this earth with full lives and dreams. I just don’t get it. I don’t think I will ever understand redditors…
As long as they can continue to live relatively cushy lives, they'll keep having this "fuck you, got mine" attitude while espousing their so called virtues
usians have this vision of a war that it is like going safari with the boys, going to some "shithole country" to shot some <third worlder racial slur>, crack open a cold one and have a bbq + manifest destiny that they are god's unmatched army and they win easily and doesn't cross their minds that war can happen in the home land, always on the attack.
You’d think they’d have figured out they’re not invincible after getting one paper cut, but I guess not.
It's like being a monarchist who works in retail. They think they'll be king when their revolution happens, completely oblivious to their predetermined role as serf.
This kind of explains my step dad’s mentality with his whole anti-union shtick.
In the early days of WWI soldiers were leaving for the front, cheering from festively decorated railway cars. They would go and win glory and prove their manhood at the battlefield and they would all be home by Christmas.
We are not a single bit smarter today.
I keep thinking things will be different. But after so many wars, truly nothing has changed. They’ll only begin to regret pushing for WW3 once they’re drafted, and even then I doubt it’ll really do much to sway their opinion. They probably won’t change until they see their buddies blown to bits in front of their eyes.
Just to give an idea of how in touch with reality redidtors are with the realities of this war.
"Ukraine should siege Moscow" - 115 upvotes
They literally think it's a marvel movie where the Good Guys *Tm have plot armor.
It's also really fi ny its the only place on reddit you're allowed to ask this really really obvious question.
"Hey guys, since we agree there's no stupid questions is the guy curled up on the floor bleeding losing this fight?"
i interact with usians and western european on a daily basis in discord servers, they have been calling for it since 2022 when pro ukraine propaganda started to loose steam.
Important note: WW3 that they aren't involved in.
The russians have to be defeated at literally any cost.
Except them getting involved. Everybody else should die so American libs can continue to smugly fancy themselves military experts.
Wasn't one of the Ukrainian news outlets called Putin propaganda because they started to report losses? Redditors went full on "I only want to see the positive news" lol
I gotta double- no triple down on the Pro-Russia stance now that Zelenskyy went to Israel and Russia called for Israel to ceasefire. Pro Russia as in them winning Donbas. The country of Russia has a long way to go, but NATO needs a swift kick to the nads every now and then
Hell, I hope Russia liberates as far as Kiev. Whatever remains is guaranteed to be a Nazi-infested, thoroughly Blackrock-owned hellhole, after all- frankly, the Ukranians should be fighting to join Russia if they know what's good for them.
