Most libertarians believe private businesses should be allowed to do segregation for queer people
It gets worse, as they start leaning into the Gay Panic Defense. There's an escalating series of assertions that being trans or advocating for trans people constitutes some kind of violent act. You get a bunch of naturalist fallacies and conspiracies about Communist brainwashing, and pretty soon even acknowledging trans people exist is a form of assault.
I was gonna do a bit about someone screaming NAP at you for wanting to change your gender marker on your Ancapistan identification card but then I realized they wouldn’t have those lol
They WOULD tho. Come down to Texas and you'll find a huge contingent of libertarians who want MORE cops and MORE identification cards and MORE checkpoints. They just want all this shit to be outsourced to private contractors who are nominally independent of (but ideologically in lockstep with) the state bureaucracy that mandates their existence.
Its all a three-card monte of profiteering, policing, and persecution. The libertarian's ideal form of government is a private far-right militia that can threaten the state bureaucrats with a coup at any moment, if their profits are ever threatened.
Come down to Texas
Comrade I live like 20 miles west of you lol
But nah I definitely agree, I meant more their like idealized professed thing.. mostly was thinking about when they skewered Gary Johnson about drivers licenses.
Your post reminded me of this libertarian tweet going around the other day where he basically reinvented the govt but it was 10 businesses wearing a trench coat lol
mostly was thinking about when they skewered Gary Johnson about drivers licenses.
Johnson's big sin within the Libertarian Party was being too fucking sensible. He'd say things that people broadly agreed with and get hammered because he failed to couch it in some sovereign citizen bullshit his base would approve of.
he basically reinvented the govt but it was 10 businesses wearing a trench coat lol
The real critical contradiction in Libertarianism is that these people are - despite their most fervent objections - quite happy with their lives. What drives them insane is the mass media, constantly telling them about this or that outrage they're supposed to be deeply invested in.
Most propagandized people on Earth. They're born on second, but convinced the refs robbed them of a HR.
This was getting praise but it just reminds me of when libs started venerating McCain as a saint bc he voted with them once after a lifetime of being a ghoul.
I don't get how anyone pro trans can live through the past decade and still fly a libertarian flag. Did people not witness what direction 95% of libertarians broke? Maybe I'm just too doomed out to have a fun time with people meming on this.
I think a some libertarians are well meaning at their core but lack the perspective or curiosity to get very far out of their own personal experience/bubble, so being white straight guys they've just never really thought very hard about, well, anything that doesn't directly affect them. I've had some success walking them outside their bubble and exploring the consequences of the stuff they believe and it's pretty often effective at making them actually start thinking.
Sure, maybe a decade ago, and maybe today for some people identifying as it hyper casually.
But I don't get how you get to the point where you're buying flags and participating in libertarian party politics, and not understand that libertarian flags are flying beside fash flags at every far right hate rally.
I can only read this graphic (that a party is publishing) as a completely cynical attempt to confuse people about what the party stands for. They know who makes up their party faithful. They know this means "in theory maybe trans people are ok, in practice we're working with people who want to exterminate them."
They're still liberals, cause and effect aren't tied directly together for them in their worldviews. I have no doubt that plenty of them are just as you describe them, but don't underestimate the willingness of the liberal worldview to pointedly ignore things that a materialist viewpoint would find extremely obvious.
I was a socially liberal libertarian around the time of the 2003 Iraq invasion. It took a lot of reading many left leaning perspectives to get me to understand the failings of liberalism and libertarianism. As a USAmerican, I was so full of propaganda education, it took way longer than it should, but I also didn't really have any actual leftists to talk to about this stuff in my life. Since my marxist epiphany, I've been able to breadcrumb some folks in one conversation through years of my own development just by talking about historical materialist analysis and other concepts.
In my experience, you have a significant chunk of libertarians (maybe 20-30%) who:
- Are decent people in the "socially liberal" sense
- Are horrified by right-wing politics
- Correctly see legitimate issues with Democrats (although they'll often have some bad takes about Democrats mixed in)
- Are experiencing, or at least acknowledge, some of the material conditions that traditionally drive people left
Those are people we can bring around.
Reading The Fountainhead and thinking "Wow, this sucks" in high school was a watershed moment (and always will be)
Good for trans folk, but this is pure "queer-washing" the shit they really stand for. The same thing is happening all over the EU, the same imperialist alliance that is taking a massive shit on the working class and fully supporting genocide, while shoving down our throats how green, sustainable and queer friendly it is
that's ok to do because transphobes violate the NAP first
uh-oh I imagine the lolberts are not too pleased about this one.
Don't suppose 'libertarian' can become a dogwhistle for progressives to slide under the radar of normies.
Whenever they call you woke, just claim to be libertarian.
