A lot of this seems really overblown, and the whole viral trend of teachers complaining about student being behind feels off to me. I'm a teacher. Not for k-12, so maybe I just haven't run into it yet, but this doesn't match my experience.
i met a young adult who cant read a few months back
edit: oh you dont teach k-12, that's prolly selection bias there
i had close friends that couldn't do basic math and knew plenty of people outside of my circle who had horrible reading/writing skills, didnt know shit about history, never got past basic algebra.
Probably. I don't have experience teaching younger kids, and my kid is still too young for me to have any first hand experience with the school system, but I've not run into anyone with the problems a lot of these videos are talking about.
I'm certainly not saying they're made up, but the fact that so many of them are attributing these problems to covid "lockdowns" and not the state of education in the US that has existed for decades has me questioning how widespread the problem is beyond what would be considered "normal" levels of underdevelopment.
Whos the reddit op? Whats his background? The commentors could just be a bunch of crackers honestly, considering its reddit its probably accurate. Also most teachers burnout quickly due to the shitty system and the ones who stay are usually hooked up with a kush job, which could explain more of the commentors.
i edited my post, im saying that depending where you are what the reddit op is talking about is not an unreal trend and everyone in this post and there do leave the 'where the fuck are you at' portion.
my hoodrat shithole definitely had all these issues, maybe not cracker white land where the resources are more abundant. if thats your only experience with public education it may seem like right wing scaremongering
and also id like to add that that's the experience for outside kids who are LD or troubled
I raised my kids in Crackerland and they went to a charter school. (shared parenting and an angry ex meant they were stuck) And it was complete trash. Basically it was a crunchy granola ass white hippy school that was marketed as such so white hippy ass parents could brag about it and act all superior to public school parents. My kids have a problem with reading and handwriting that still persists.
That school would send my kids to farms to work. But my kids lived on a damn ranch, so I would just keep them home when that would happen. 'They made us weed the beds.' Like naw you can do that at home.
I do notice that rich people do also fuck up their kids with bullshit like that.
I knew a couple of montessori kids who were train wreck adults despite having money. I learned recently that the lady who came up with montessori apparently gave her kid up for adoption and then he later came back and started working for her or some shit lol
I dont think anyone was 'rich'. Except I did meet an actor from Seinfeld. Where I live is an interesting mix of a red county with alot of libertarian hippies types. So performative enviromental esthetic with zero class consciousness. Whatever gross narcissism that plagues weed growers. Eat organic, smoke cigarettes, dont vaccinate your kids. So paying to send your child to a underperforming school set up to weaken teachers unions is okay if they make your kid shovel organic chicken shit.
On the one hand it would greatly benefit capital if this is happening. On the other hand it would greatly benefit capital to convince you that this is happening.
On the one hand it would greatly benefit capital if this is happening.
Would it? The public education system was largely designed BY capitalists cuz they realized they needed more workers who were literate and knew basic mathematics. As long as you sprinkle in a heathy dose of anti-communist propaganda teaching kids ABCs and 123s isn't all that more likely to make them read Marx.
Keeping your workers undereducated is really only beneficial if you have a feudal/plantation agricultural economy, and outside some of the really psycho CHUDs idk how many American capitalists want the US regressing back into the late Holy Roman Empire.
The problem they found is that teaching people to read and do math is a gateway to understanding things like history, the economy, labor laws, etc. I think we've reached a stage where they would rather make the jobs easier to do for illiterate people than risk class consciousness growing any more than it has.
Couple that with the rollback of child labor laws and you can see the future we're heading toward.
Idk dude. Everyone here is constantly talking about how public schools are basically propaganda centers that also teach some basic job training skill, and how much as the right may claim otherwise most universities just pump out STEM fascists or social studies PMC Libs who go onto either be middle managers or NYT op Ed writers. I know plenty of well educated people and most of them aren't comrades, meanwhile socialist revolutions have taken off in places where most of the population was illiterate. Class consciousness is the west has always been fucking abysmal, even when the west had better educational standards.
I think a lot of this is just Christo-fash who want to regress back to a plantation economy so they can get away with molesting their own daughters more.
Keeping your workers undereducated is really only beneficial if you have a feudal/plantation agricultural economy, and outside some of the really psycho CHUDs idk how many American capitalists want the US regressing back into the late Holy Roman Empire.
The US was able to get away with this through brain drain. All the difficult technical and intellectual work was done by brain drained professionals from the Global South while the domestic population was barely educated enough to be a wage slave. But now that those professionals are less likely to travel to the US or are repatriating back (as we have seen with Chinese scientists due to Sinophobia), the chickens are coming home to roost.
Actual US domestic talent has been lacking for a very long time, and it's only going to get worse.
A lot of this seems really overblown, and the whole viral trend of teachers complaining about student being behind feels off to me. I'm a teacher. Not for k-12, so maybe I just haven't run into it yet, but this doesn't match my experience.
i mean, where do you teach?
i met a young adult who cant read a few months back
edit: oh you dont teach k-12, that's prolly selection bias there
i had close friends that couldn't do basic math and knew plenty of people outside of my circle who had horrible reading/writing skills, didnt know shit about history, never got past basic algebra.
Probably. I don't have experience teaching younger kids, and my kid is still too young for me to have any first hand experience with the school system, but I've not run into anyone with the problems a lot of these videos are talking about.
I'm certainly not saying they're made up, but the fact that so many of them are attributing these problems to covid "lockdowns" and not the state of education in the US that has existed for decades has me questioning how widespread the problem is beyond what would be considered "normal" levels of underdevelopment.
Whos the reddit op? Whats his background? The commentors could just be a bunch of crackers honestly, considering its reddit its probably accurate. Also most teachers burnout quickly due to the shitty system and the ones who stay are usually hooked up with a kush job, which could explain more of the commentors.
There have always been people who can't read that's not meaningful.
i edited my post, im saying that depending where you are what the reddit op is talking about is not an unreal trend and everyone in this post and there do leave the 'where the fuck are you at' portion.
my hoodrat shithole definitely had all these issues, maybe not cracker white land where the resources are more abundant. if thats your only experience with public education it may seem like right wing scaremongering
and also id like to add that that's the experience for outside kids who are LD or troubled
I raised my kids in Crackerland and they went to a charter school. (shared parenting and an angry ex meant they were stuck) And it was complete trash. Basically it was a crunchy granola ass white hippy school that was marketed as such so white hippy ass parents could brag about it and act all superior to public school parents. My kids have a problem with reading and handwriting that still persists.
That school would send my kids to farms to work. But my kids lived on a damn ranch, so I would just keep them home when that would happen. 'They made us weed the beds.' Like naw you can do that at home.
I do notice that rich people do also fuck up their kids with bullshit like that.
I knew a couple of montessori kids who were train wreck adults despite having money. I learned recently that the lady who came up with montessori apparently gave her kid up for adoption and then he later came back and started working for her or some shit lol
I dont think anyone was 'rich'. Except I did meet an actor from Seinfeld. Where I live is an interesting mix of a red county with alot of libertarian hippies types. So performative enviromental esthetic with zero class consciousness. Whatever gross narcissism that plagues weed growers. Eat organic, smoke cigarettes, dont vaccinate your kids. So paying to send your child to a underperforming school set up to weaken teachers unions is okay if they make your kid shovel organic chicken shit.
I use rich for anyone middle class tbh, probably shouldnt keep that habit. My bad
On the one hand it would greatly benefit capital if this is happening. On the other hand it would greatly benefit capital to convince you that this is happening.
Would it? The public education system was largely designed BY capitalists cuz they realized they needed more workers who were literate and knew basic mathematics. As long as you sprinkle in a heathy dose of anti-communist propaganda teaching kids ABCs and 123s isn't all that more likely to make them read Marx.
Keeping your workers undereducated is really only beneficial if you have a feudal/plantation agricultural economy, and outside some of the really psycho CHUDs idk how many American capitalists want the US regressing back into the late Holy Roman Empire.
The problem they found is that teaching people to read and do math is a gateway to understanding things like history, the economy, labor laws, etc. I think we've reached a stage where they would rather make the jobs easier to do for illiterate people than risk class consciousness growing any more than it has.
Couple that with the rollback of child labor laws and you can see the future we're heading toward.
Idk dude. Everyone here is constantly talking about how public schools are basically propaganda centers that also teach some basic job training skill, and how much as the right may claim otherwise most universities just pump out STEM fascists or social studies PMC Libs who go onto either be middle managers or NYT op Ed writers. I know plenty of well educated people and most of them aren't comrades, meanwhile socialist revolutions have taken off in places where most of the population was illiterate. Class consciousness is the west has always been fucking abysmal, even when the west had better educational standards.
I think a lot of this is just Christo-fash who want to regress back to a plantation economy so they can get away with molesting their own daughters more.
Yeah, that tracks. Fucking hate this place. Death to America
The US was able to get away with this through brain drain. All the difficult technical and intellectual work was done by brain drained professionals from the Global South while the domestic population was barely educated enough to be a wage slave. But now that those professionals are less likely to travel to the US or are repatriating back (as we have seen with Chinese scientists due to Sinophobia), the chickens are coming home to roost.
Actual US domestic talent has been lacking for a very long time, and it's only going to get worse.
I teach early elementary and about 1 in 4 of my students don't know some or most of the letters in the alphabet.