Most verbose comments include a call for the left to use right-wing organizing strategies
Suddenly posts whatever this niche garbage is. The overwhelming number of Euros on here don't give a shit about this topic (not that it's bad to educate but framing is important) so it feels like they're really reaching to create controversy with something they already have info on
They don't seem to have a good justification for it. It's too much of a conspiracy post to be a real dunk but they don't really have a reason why they care or why we should care.
Immediately brings out insults when you call them out
One of their dunk reasons is that the guy is Jewish
don’t give a shit about this topic (not that it’s bad to educate but framing is important)
yup. an effort post on why NOI is fucked up / not leftist would be a great resource.
Most verbose comments include a call for the left to use right-wing organizing strategies
why do these kind of trolls always have the same disorganized writing style too? reads like a redd*tor who thinks more words = better
One of their dunk reasons is that the guy is Jewish
fucking thank you. ironic since NOI is frequently criticized for their antisemitism. I was waiting for someone else to name that because I’ve been giving this dude enough shit.
I don't have a position about this topic because I frankly don't care about it. The part that I care about is that you appear to be using a posting method that's commonly used to sow division in social networks. And when people have called you out on it, rather than doing self-reflection, you dig in your heels further.
Maybe consider how this sort of thing makes you look as someone new around here. If this NOI topic really is that important to you and you're not just wrecking, then consider that there are better ways of getting your point across if you have patience and don't see the community as something adversarial to be conquered. Your urgency in defending your point at all costs suggests that you're more invested in this topic than you are with the social fabric of the space.
Most people on here haven't watched a Chapotraphouse episode in years, if ever (hence the hexbear rebranding). Most have moved far beyond vaguely leftist media and social democrats. It's just not something we consider worth talking about anymore because things like Breadtube, Berniebro podcasts, and "The Squad" are ultimately incapable of envisioning real social progress. If one of them is being weird and racist or reactionary, we just chalk it up to their liberalism and move on. Sometimes we do dunk on their shit opinions, but there's a difference between an obvious joke and an effortpost. You've blended the two together in a way that looks like trolling on the surface level.
We're very sensitive to trolling/wrecking because there are a lot of people out there who don't want us to exist. This place got thrown out of reddit for a reason and people show up all the time thinking they can sneak their bad faith actions under the radar. Our users are saying you fit the profile because of the stuff I said in my last comment.
It sounds like you have a lot to work through, but this probably isn't the space for it due to the community's detachment both from the podcast and with NOI. At least while you're a newbie and have few/no friends, it's going to be difficult to educate people on this topic because it's very niche compared to the issues we normally discuss. Consider getting to know people first, read some literature and read the sidebars in some of our comms. If you stick around for a while we'll even try to learn about you.
If I could give you a few pointers for some starter lit:
Checklist time:
btw, you should do a generic version of this as an effort post. If you do, I’ll turn it into a shitposty infographic lol
You mean a troll-spotting post?
I guess yeah. Your checklist formatting was really clear and crisp. :bloomer:
I'm not the most experienced but I will look into it.
yup. an effort post on why NOI is fucked up / not leftist would be a great resource.
why do these kind of trolls always have the same disorganized writing style too? reads like a redd*tor who thinks more words = better
fucking thank you. ironic since NOI is frequently criticized for their antisemitism. I was waiting for someone else to name that because I’ve been giving this dude enough shit.
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I don't have a position about this topic because I frankly don't care about it. The part that I care about is that you appear to be using a posting method that's commonly used to sow division in social networks. And when people have called you out on it, rather than doing self-reflection, you dig in your heels further.
Maybe consider how this sort of thing makes you look as someone new around here. If this NOI topic really is that important to you and you're not just wrecking, then consider that there are better ways of getting your point across if you have patience and don't see the community as something adversarial to be conquered. Your urgency in defending your point at all costs suggests that you're more invested in this topic than you are with the social fabric of the space.
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So, a couple things:
Most people on here haven't watched a Chapotraphouse episode in years, if ever (hence the hexbear rebranding). Most have moved far beyond vaguely leftist media and social democrats. It's just not something we consider worth talking about anymore because things like Breadtube, Berniebro podcasts, and "The Squad" are ultimately incapable of envisioning real social progress. If one of them is being weird and racist or reactionary, we just chalk it up to their liberalism and move on. Sometimes we do dunk on their shit opinions, but there's a difference between an obvious joke and an effortpost. You've blended the two together in a way that looks like trolling on the surface level.
We're very sensitive to trolling/wrecking because there are a lot of people out there who don't want us to exist. This place got thrown out of reddit for a reason and people show up all the time thinking they can sneak their bad faith actions under the radar. Our users are saying you fit the profile because of the stuff I said in my last comment.
It sounds like you have a lot to work through, but this probably isn't the space for it due to the community's detachment both from the podcast and with NOI. At least while you're a newbie and have few/no friends, it's going to be difficult to educate people on this topic because it's very niche compared to the issues we normally discuss. Consider getting to know people first, read some literature and read the sidebars in some of our comms. If you stick around for a while we'll even try to learn about you.
If I could give you a few pointers for some starter lit:
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