Fuck eating any meat (obviously) but consuming things live is the next level of fuck you.
Like what the fuck is the point? To be fucking gross? If you're going to kill a living thing (and you shouldn't even do that really unless it's going to kill you) then do it fast.
I don't care if it's "just an oyster" that shit is a special kind of messed up.
I'm glad some of those assholes that eat live octopi choke to death. Sick fucks.
When I see people cooking innocent crustaceans alive I don't understand how they can't empathize with the creature suffering in front of them
Exactly! It's clearly confused and scared, stop torturing it, that's serial killer shit imo
Intelligence is a kinda messed up metric for whether or not someone should have moral consideration. I suspect you probably mostly agree with that right? Like babies are not very smart but they suffer and we usually think hurting them is worse. Or if you had to give someone an electric shock or something it's not like you'd line up everyone in a room in order of IQ or maze solving ability or something.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you leave octopuses alone but what does opening jars n shit have to do with whether or not eating is ok? The pertinent questions to me seem to be whether creatures feel pain and whether they want to live and I would assume that mammals, with their much more similar brains to us (being also mammals) would be the likeliest candidates for those traits.
Curious to hear your reasoning, and whether you disagree with me regarding intelligence (however determined) being a poor metric for right giving.
I think it's because we don't have good language for separating some things (in this case how something experiences/relates to pain) from intelligence so people just land there without a lot of critical thought behind it. I do like your example of lining people up by IQ, I think it helps highlight this.
I don't want to have a go at the person I'm replying to, they appear at least partly aligned with me. The fact that they're on hexbear suggests we probably agree on a few fundamental moral claims too (although tbh I think half of you would execute me as a reactionary but I suppose if we get there I'll die... if not happy then hopeful?). I'm genuinely curious because I run into it so much.
Now with some chuddy people their heroes have actually lined people up on rubiks cube solving ability or whatever asinine test was popular at the time and killed those at one end. This is less popular among leftists though, so I'm a bit confused as to why you'd reach for it when considering non human animals after discarding it for human animals.
Don't get me wrong, something stirs within me when I see a non human do something I understand as "clever" but also when I see a cow indicate to me that they'd like a spot scratched, or a possum run over and interpose herself between her nest and me willing to take on something relatively titanic to save children from an unknown threat. I'm not sure why indications of feeling or desire matter more when they're more like work?
I wasn't arguing that it was more valid, I think the example is useful because it highlights how ridiculous the premise is without making people work to step outside of the framework they are already familiar with.
This is peak reddit brain lol
"I'm not a vegetarian but this arbitrary animal is sooper dooper intelligent so I can't eat it"
it's basically the mental equivalent of using paper straws and gasping at people who don't
I thought you were talking about Ikizukuri. It's such a fucked up way to treat a living creature and it's all for aesthetics.
Eating an animal alive is pointlessly cruel, and I wish that seeing it would break the illusion for people about the pointlessly cruel things animals experience behind closed doors.
(Major CW for Ikizukuri if you try to look it up.) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikizukuri
Ikizukuri isn't live though, it's only as cruel as every other kind of animal-eating
They bonk the fish and they cut it up, it's only moving because of the same reason a 5 minute post mortem dead guy has muscle twitchesI can appreciate that it's not alive, but I want to point out that the fact that it being dead, it still looks alive. It's just I thought seeing a moving creature in a visibly injured state would be too disturbing to want to eat.
Yin Yang fish has convinced me that humanity does not deserve to live.
Yin yang fish (Chinese: 陰陽魚, 糖醋活魚, 呼叫魚; also called dead-and-alive fish) is a Chinese dish where a live fish is fried whole.
In 2007, a Taiwanese restaurant owner sparked outrage when he began serving the dish in his restaurant in Chiayi, Taiwan
Oh so now Taiwan is a part of China? Fuck you wikipedia.
