There are just so many chuds that I worry if revolution happened any time soon, we'd just end up with an identical system with different people as the boot.
Correct. If shit went down now, we'd get murdered by vigilantes and chuds first, then systematically by the new government.
It is imperative that we grow our numbers and teach the necessity of revolution not because we want to shoot people, but because capitalists will not allow a better world: they will bring even more violence to us when we try. We also need to arm ourselves every step of the way and have an escape plan until we are armed and have numbers around 15-20%.
yes we need to achieve at least a baseline a popular support for armed revolution. If we have that then it doesn't really matter how strong the government is, we can use maoist people's protracted war tactics to bleed the country dry over years if necessary
Yes, though for the US I don't think a planned armed revolution will work any time soon. But an armed DemSoc/commie/anarchist alliance could turn into one if everyone stays cool.
My logic is that Americans in general cannot understand politics outside of electoral newsmaking by themselves, so they must be brought into the fold through either a resurgent labor movement or a disciplined set of electoral pushes, where failure is leveraged into membership. The latter drives the former because lefties need something to do when electoralism inevitably fails, something that keeps them from getting brought back into the liberal party fold, something that builds power.
And we need to be armed at all points because shit can be dark fast and we need to at least be ready for defense. It will be a hard sell to get a Bernie SocDem that just wants M4A to buy a gun and learn urban guerilla tactics and plan to shoot their neighbors. But you can get them to read The Jakarta Method and understand that they're getting shot too if conditions deteriorate soon.
I heard someone say...something along these lines...that if we can't prove to organize with the limited resources we have now, how do we expect people to buy into us managing the whole thing.
Americans fundamentally don't understand community in the same way as people in early AES and the former USSR understood community when organizing their revolutions. This is why I made my big post in /c/effort yesterday. Westerners are up against alienation, cybernetics, and a military industrial complex that allows states to kill without exhausting manpower.
Since the ComIntern in Western Europe and the US failed in the wake of WWII, communists in the global north have been spinning their wheels, running into the same problems, succdemery, and factionalism that kept the revolutionary spirit from growing even back when the government chokehold on information was weaker and workers movements were in every town across the country in one form or another.
They failed because they couldn't look far enough beyond liberal individualism, to empathize with the suffering of people unlike themselves who would be the fuel of the movement. Instead they appealed to middle class whites and social democrat politicians AND WE STILL DO.
In order to fix the mistakes of the past, and follow the direction of Mao, Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Che/Castro, and even Subcommandante Galeano, we must empathize with the suffering of the lowest and most pitifully abused rungs of society. They hold the seed of revolutionary spirit and they will spread it to everyone else if given the opportunity. But first they have to see that it's a community for everyone and not just a book club for intellectuals to talk about deciding their lives for them. Liberals already do that enough.
by taking the opportunity to establish dual power in worker's and neighborhood councils and tipping over the new liberal state as it fails to navigate the crisis and stumbles into civil war. once it has, it's on us to force the councils to take power. we don't presently stand a chance of preventing the formation of the liberal state that follows this one. but how long it lasts... that will be decided between us and the fash.
It is also important to push those councils to the left, because a lot of them would consist of libs and chuds.
we use the conflict between the councils and the state to do that. the less legitimate the state and the more legitimate the councils, the more the latter will move towards radicalism, even as the state will mirror them and begin to make common cause with the fash. agitation is important to accomplish this but if we frame it as "here's how we develop socialism", we'll lose people. we focus on the present and drive to heighten the conflict.
Today? Right now? It wouldn’t.
Doesn’t mean it can’t be possible in the future. I just don’t think we are in the position to be able to secure a revolution at the moment. I mean it took the Bolsheviks decades to gain power and a world war to essentially push them over the edge. (Watered down version of history please don’t come @ me)
Lots of person to person talking.
Lots of conservative people are generous- to those who are in their peer/family group
The ideology they have, however is about setting up barriers to being in that group and a core sense of scarcity.
With guns and revolutionary police. Same boot, just used on the correct people. It's a crude instrument, and it would make mistakes, and commit crimes, but there is no other alternative.
